Moneymakeover Overpay mortgage or invest

Allegory

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Your age:45
Your spouse's age: 46
Number and age of children: 3 children – 3,10,12


Income and expenditure
Annual gross income from employment or profession: €130k
Annual gross income of spouse/partner: €85k

Me: Fee-based, part-time

Spouse: Public, full-time

Monthly take-home pay: €10,433

Other:

Child benefit: €5k pa

Gifts from parents (to me and spouse to avail of CAT exemption): €12k pa


In general we are spending more than we earn with significant mortgage and childcare for youngest. I have gone part-time and taken a pay cut to do so. We’re struggling to manage down expenses, though youngest starting school should help, but generally I would say we’re trying to walk back years of lifestyle creep. I have scope to take on further hours and am actively looking to do so.

Summary of Assets and Liabilities
Family home value: €1.9m
Mortgage on family home: €715,000
Net equity: €1.185m


Family home mortgage information
Lender: PTSB
Interest rate: 3.35
Fixed at 3.35% ending March 2031

Remaining term: 17y
Monthly repayment: € 4,790

Other borrowings – None

Do you pay off your full credit card balance each month - Yes


Pension information

Value of pension fund:


Me:Defined Contribution pension fund: €1.05m fund value– Invested in All Equity Index, not currently making contributions

Spouse: DB pension – eligible to retire in 9 years at 50% final salary, conservatively estimate €45k pa pension plus lump sum of €135k. N.B spouse may defer retirement for approx 5 years if financially sensible. Their preference would be to retire in 15 years max

Other savings and investments:

Cash: €200k – subject of the question – obviously don’t intend to leave in cash
ETF: €150k in VWCE – had sort of ear-marked this for school fees

Deposit – Raisin - €75k ear-marked for home upgrades

Other information which might be relevant
Probably relevant to say, that given age and assets of parents it is like that we receive a six figure inheritance in 10-20 years and while obviously wouldn’t want to rely on this and clearly hope my parents live as long as possible, I mention it for completeness. Ultimately would like to use any money received to help our own kids so not factoring this in.

What specific question do you have or what issues are of concern to you?

I have just sold a second property and received €275k from the sale. I will use €75k to make some upgrades to our primary residence, but am unsure of the wisest course of action with the balance.

A lot of advice focuses on pensions given the tax advantages, but I am not sure if that’s the best course of action in our case given we’re in the relatively unusual position of having well-funded pensions. At present our mortgage feels high relative to our income and paying it down may be more sensible, but while I hope to increase my income in the next year or two, I worry that paying down the mortgage leaves us with very little flexibility as we head into a period that has the potential to be expensive, potentially school fees, teenagers, activities etc.

I wonder would investing – diversified index be a better choice that would give more flexibility. I have relatively high risk tolerance. If so, would I be better using an investment fund? I currently use ETFs on IBKR, but I know they are not the most tax-efficient.

Am I right in thinking that given our situation that putting more into my pension is probably not the right call given where it is at? Or should I put more in and aim to draw it down sooner? It’s an employer scheme. I have left that employment and am now self-employed. Could I “retire” for the purposes of that scheme early and continue to work for fees on a self-employed basis? The idea of retiring early is appealing to me!
 
€1.05m is a seriously impressive pension fund at 45.

Even so, in your shoes, I would set up a PRSA (given that you are no longer an employee) and continue maximising tax-relieved pension contributions.

The tax situation is such that I don’t think it makes sense to invest after-tax money while carrying debt. So, I would just pay down your mortgage ahead of schedule.

You should be able to meet education costs from your income - I don’t think you need to build up an additional fund.
 
Your mortgage payment of €4,790 is 46% of your take-home pay.

If you pay €200k off your mortgage now, the monthly payment would reduce to around €3,500. If you could then afford to keep paying the current amount of €4,790 (overpaying by €1,300 a month), you would have your mortgage paid down in just over 10 years.

You would have to take into account any break fees.

Fee-paying schools have pros and cons, and the costs vary widely. Unless there is a specific reason you want them to attend a private school, you (and they) are better off spending that money elsewhere.
 
Monthly take-home pay: €10,433

Mortgage on family home: €715,000

Monthly repayment: € 4,790

Cash: €200k – subject of the question – obviously don’t intend to leave in cash
ETF: €150k in VWCE – had sort of ear-marked this for school fees

Deposit – Raisin - €75k ear-marked for home upgrades

You say you are living beyond your means. But you are paying €2k a month in capital off your mortgage and must have been contributing to a pension. Do you need to spend the €75k for home upgrades?

You have a good pension fund for your age.

Pay the €350k off your mortgage which will halve your repayment and give you a lot more flexibility. Borrowing at 3.35% to invest makes no sense at all.

Your kids are young enough. If you halve your mortgage, you can easily afford the cost of a private school from your salary.

When you have the mortgage down a lot and you have your overall finances more settled, then you can start maxing pension contributions again.

Brendan
 
I don’t think it has to be one or the other.

There’s €350k there that could be thrown at the mortgage, even allowing for the €75k in proposed home improvements.

That would effectively halve the mortgage balance/payments so I see no reason to hold off on making tax-relieved pension contributions.

I agree that there is no need to build a separate education fund if the mortgage is substantially paid down.
 
Could I “retire” for the purposes of that scheme early and continue to work for fees on a self-employed basis?
Yes. You can access it from age 50. To make pension contributions now (or after taking benefits from that scheme) you'll need to set up a new pension arrangement
 
With a PTSB mortgage, you can make prepayments that offset against the principal, but can serve as rainy day fund/school savings given you can subsequently elect to to make monthly repayments from the prepayment amount. So you could lob a chunk of cash in there now, “earn” 3.35% DIRT-free, then use it for monthly repayments in the future if you have school fees etc coming out of income.

I’m not going to speculate on stocks except to say that they’re pretty pricey just now and may not be a smart choice if you need that for secondary school fees beginning this September, presumably?
 
With a PTSB mortgage, you can make prepayments that offset against the principal, but can serve as rainy day fund/school savings given you can subsequently elect to to make monthly repayments from the prepayment amount.
Might be relevant here?

This is a great facility for people who are thinking about their children's education.

So many people save up their money in a separate account earning nothing while paying 4% mortgage interest.

With the ptsb account, they can overpay their mortgage with their education fund and then in 15 years,take a long payment holiday to fund the college fees.
 
Sorry for the delay in responding. Thanks so much to everyone that commented. I'm so glad I posted. I didn't know that about PTSB mortgages and actually that solves a lot of problems. My unease about paying down the mortgage was related to not have a liquid buffer if we had some cash flow issues and actually that ability to use the prepayment if that were to happen largely solves that concern for me.

In terms of a new pension arrangement, am I understanding correctly that I could make contributions to a new scheme and retire from the company scheme in due course but not "retire" from the new scheme. I'm just trying to understand what, if anything, might prevent me from retiring from my company scheme in 10-15 years. Any recommendations for a scheme provider? I did make AVCs very early in my career and am very grateful now, my employer contribution wasn't super generous, but the power of compounding means I'm in a very good position. I'm still surprised that 20 year-old me was so disciplined!

Should note that fee-paying school is just one option being considered, certainly not set on it, but would like to be in a position to consider it even if we decide otherwise. Home improvements are not essential right this minute, but will need to be done at some point and will help with energy efficiency and keeping home value e.g. replacing windows, upgrading flooring as opposed to being purely decorative / luxury.
 
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