Now We’re Exporting Whingers

I had no idea why this video "Paul Bissonnette Brawl Saga Takes a Dark Unexpected Turn (UPDATE)" was recommended to me, no idea who the guy is..
I looked at it anyway and about 30 seconds in, the lightbulb came on in my head, slowly at first... :(

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left-wing hack journalists?

That story is certainly getting a lot of coverage both here and in the US

Is he a left-wing hack? No more so than the majority of Irish journalists who lean to the left. He certainly leans much more towards the Democrats and is far more aggressive towards the current administration.

I watched the full exchange between Stanage and Leavitt and I'm in two minds about it. While it's a valid question to ask about the ICE shooting (it's been asked countless times and the answer was predictable.) But I'm not quite sure why he also brought up the numbers who died in ICE detention facilities within the same question. He hinted that ICE were somehow responsible for those deaths. According to the stats there are 40k - 50k people in ICE custody annually - the death rate of 32 seems quite low compared to say prisons here (or even IPAS centres.)


 
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The Hill isn't really a "left wing" outlet though, and the Democrats are probably somewhere near FG or FF who are not really very "left wing."
 
I think alot of the exodus to Australia by the young was a result of Covid lockdowns and not being able to travel anywhere for 2 years and also saving alot of money due to having nowhere to spend it then. Once young people see their friends and everything going and their lives look so good on social media posts then they want to go. Of course social media never gives the full reality of life in Australia with the very high cost of living there.
Another factor I think is that Ireland became a little dull, nightlife is not what it was in Dublin compared to 20 years ago. There has been too much nanny state over controlling of social life especially since Covid.
 
I was at a party in a friends house last weekend to welcome home his 2 twenty something kids back from Canada, the last year of a 4 year round the world trip.
They were telling us all how great things are everywhere else and how much better off they were over there than over here. At the same time complaining that they couldnt afford to buy a house and how all of us older generation sold them out and how we had it easier because everything was handed to us.

All the time their Dad sitting there listening to it. They seem to forget that their Dad didnt get to go to college. He did a trade when he left school at 17 after his Dad died. Then when his mother died a year later he went off to England to work on building sites. We would see him maybe once every 3 years. He didnt take a holiday the whole time. Then he went to Saudi Arabia for 4 years to work and then back to Ireland where he lived on my couch for nearly a year until he got enough money to get his own place.

He went back to college at night so he could get a better job. and met his wife and mother of his children there. They struggled for a few years. Had the first child while living in a dingy little flat that was all they could afford. Eventually they could afford to buy a little 2 bed falling down cottage which they did up. They always put their children first and eventually got them through college. The children both went travelling the world for about 4 years as soon as they left college. Their Dad funded them the whole time. In fact he owes me €2k for money I lent him to send them when they ran out of money in Bali.

I just sat there listening to the ungrateful whingers while they pontificated about how great life is elsewhere and then when they came home they cant afford a house because all of the generations before them got everything easy and sold them out. They didnt go into detail on what was done to sell them out, but I dont think they were interested in explaining that. I dont believe they have ever had a job. They always got money from their parents for whatever they wanted. They never bought any food at home. nor did they ever pay a penny for rent. And the best bit. They are planning a trip to Australia next.

I just thought this was so sad to witness. Im definitely going to have a word with their Dad about enabling this and tell him he needs to stop funding their waster lifestyles. I just saw the thread title and decided to post this. Turned into a longer whinge than I was expecting tbh.
 
At the same time complaining that they couldnt afford to buy a house and how all of us older generation sold them out
They sound like spoiled brats but they aren't wrong about that bit.

My children are in college and they travel and I did a trade and didn't go to college. I worked in excess of 60 hours a week for nearly 2 decades. I cycled into work when my first child was born because we couldn't afford 2 cars. I often worked 16-18 hour days. Sometimes I worked through the night and through the next day (in excess of 36 hours without more than a 30 minite break in a factory running machines)I didn't take holidays for years etc etc, blah blah blah... that doesn't mean that my generation and, more particularly my parents generation, didn't sell them out. If you want proof look at how wealth distribution by age has changed in this country over the last 30 years.

Two things can be true at the same time.

My college going children all work as well so between work, college and study they are doing in excess of 60 hours a week. They work just as hard as I worked. In fact it's true to say that they've worked hard all their lives.

I bought my first apartment when I was 22. They'll be in their 30's.

I've a large amount of unearned wealth in the form of property price appreciation and pension value appreciation. They'll probably never have that, until they inherit it in their 60's or 70's long after they actually need it.

I can retire at 66 with a very generous State pension. I'll get massively subsidised State healthcare and massively subsidised private healthcare (subsidised by younger people who are also insured). They probably won't have that.

I could have a family in my 20's and 30's. They'll probably be in their 30's or 40's.

They got to grow up with the internet, cheap travel, hundreds of TV channels, in a liberal country free of the oppression of religion. They can expect to live into their 90's so they get plenty of positives I didn't get... but they may never own a house.
 
I guess everybody is different. Some people had it easy, some didnt, some will, some wont. Where I grew up (not too far from Dublin, but not Dublin), my generation were nowhere near as well off as my kids and their friends. And my parents generation had a far, far harder life than we had even. I bought my first apartment in my 30s. People at work are now crying about not being able to buy in their late 20s. No problem at all going off on holidays and weekends away and a few coffees a day. Some living with their parents and shouting their virtue of paying their parents €250 per month and doing a bit of shopping for them.
I thought id never be able to buy a house or apartment all the way up til one day i moved to a much better job and suddenly i could afford one. I never went on a holiday for years before or after i bought it either. Also learned how to do all the jobs that needed doing myself. I also thought their would be no COAP for me, but now I think there will be.

I got no inheritance. My kids will. In fact its sad to hear the younger people at work in conversations all counting their inheritance even with their parents young and fit. My property price appreciation is no good to me. It will be to my kids though.

One thing I will say though is that all of the traps that are around for young people now were not there for me to fall into. Credit card debt - used to be hard to get a credit card even never mind a high limit. Easy loans. All the young lads seem to have betting apps that they use all day. Social media convincing them that they need to spend money on lifestyle so they can post pictures of themselves beside the Jones pictures. Buying cars on never ending PCP without any need to get in a position to afford that PCP. None of that was around when I was young. All designed to make them fall into debt and never get out of it.

One thing I saw recently with a relative nearly made me sick, but its indicative of the mindset of 20 to 30 year olds now.
Her son is 29 and are buying a house with his girlfriend. My sister then asks me for a loan of a few thousand euro and I asked what does she need it for. Number one son and his wife are buying a house and need another 25k to pay extra for a south facing garden. And how much are they borrowing off you? 20k she said with a straight face. My answer - Tell them to buy a north, east or west facing house and then give you the extra 5k as pay back for all the money you have given them over the years. Or better yet. Find a 400k house and help you out with your mortage with the 505k you have left. Oh, but its so hard for young people getting on the property ladder now she said. Well im not paying for their garden, sorry.

Really makes me sick that some people are happy to just put the hand out for money off their parents, who dont have many years of work and earning power left in them. Any nest egg they built up for future hardship when they cant earn any more money is happily taken right out of their hands with a smile.
 
At the same time complaining that they couldnt afford to buy a house and how all of us older generation sold them out and how we had it easier because everything was handed to us.
Thats a ridiculous logic to blame a previous generation for the increasing costs and difficulties in getting a house. Its basically "victimhood" porn and shouldn’t be entertained. The WW2 generation had a much harder life than their 60s baby boomers children. It would be a bit ridiculous to be blaming their children for the hard lives that they had to endure during the war years.
You can only Live the life your given, you cannot live in the past or in the future.
Alot of the reasons why young people find it much harder to get a house is because of globalisation, there is alot more competition for scarce resources like houses than there was previously. But while it was relatively easier to buy a house 40 years ago, those houses were much more basic. People didn't have all the consumer goods and technology of today along with much better nutrition and health care.
 
Thats a ridiculous logic to blame a previous generation for the increasing costs and difficulties in getting a house.
Why? If my parents generation wrecked the economy due to their greed and stupidity (and they did) then it's okay to point that out.

Its basically "victimhood" porn and shouldn’t be entertained.
Why? Or are you victim blaming (since we are using such terms)?

The WW2 generation had a much harder life than their 60s baby boomers children. It would be a bit ridiculous to be blaming their children for the hard lives that they had to endure during the war years.
That's the opposite of what you said above.

You can only Live the life your given, you cannot live in the past or in the future.
Agreed, but when there's a financial crash there are really two choices; a) take it on the chin and suffer the consequences now or, b) print a load of money to bail yourselves out, forcing the consequences of your actions onto future generations. We chose "b". That's what young people are upset about. I agree with them.


Alot of the reasons why young people find it much harder to get a house is because of globalisation,
No, it's because of increased money supply which massively inflated property and stock values (assets; pension values) while depressing interest rates and wage growth in the developed world.


there is alot more competition for scarce resources like houses than there was previously.
Yea, but that's not why.


But while it was relatively easier to buy a house 40 years ago,
Not relatively easier, much easier. I bought my first apartment at 22, one year after I qualified.


those houses were much more basic. People didn't have all the consumer goods and technology of today along with much better nutrition and health care.
Absolutely. I'm in my 50's and I own one of those older houses but I am using my unearned wealth to refurbish it.

Thank you young people; I live in the house you paid for but will never own.
I also get to enjoy the consumer good and technology, while sitting in my house that you paid for but will never own. What, you're upset? What ever for?!
 
The biggest difference with buying a house today compared to 40 years ago is that 99% of the time you are competing with a double income. People dont couple up until later in life and its a near impossible feat to be a single buyer bidding against a double income.
Personally though, I think the country, standard of living and the economy is in far better shape now than when I was in my 20s. I would take Ireland today any day.
I was only into my second decade when I saw boys from the blackstuff on television. That showed my parents life to a tee. Things werent much better when I left school, but they were on the up. Sorry, but im not looking at back at that and pretending that my parents had it better than I did. And nobody is going to sit in front of me and tell me they have it harder than myself and my friends did. The difference is that neither my parents, nor myself, nor any of my friends cried into their cornflakes thinking it was up to someone else to get us out of a hole. We just did it.
 
The biggest difference with buying a house today compared to 40 years ago is that 99% of the time you are competing with a double income.
People dont couple up until later in life and its a near impossible feat to be a single buyer bidding against a double income.
That's a big difference alright. I don't think it's the biggest one but it is certainly a major factor. Interest rates are the biggest deciding factor in property prices. The best time to buy is when interest rates are high as that means capital prices are depressed and inflation eats the repayment costs.

Personally though, I think the country, standard of living and the economy is in far better shape now than when I was in my 20s. I would take Ireland today any day.
So would I. For lots of reasons. It's a vastly better country than it was when I was a child.

I was only into my second decade when I saw boys from the blackstuff on television. That showed my parents life to a tee. Things werent much better when I left school, but they were on the up. Sorry, but im not looking at back at that and pretending that my parents had it better than I did.
Yep, my father was homeless at 16. His mother and older brother went to live with relations in England. He worked for his keep in a shop in Dublin and his youngest brother was sent away to a different job. Nothing like that happens now.

And nobody is going to sit in front of me and tell me they have it harder than myself and my friends did.
Nobody? Not one young person in Ireland had it harder than you? Were you a child soldier in Uganda or something?

The difference is that neither my parents, nor myself, nor any of my friends cried into their cornflakes thinking it was up to someone else to get us out of a hole. We just did it.
And your parents didn't mortgage your future when you were young. We just did it to our children. When you were young old people were poorer than young working people. Do you remember that?
 
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