Northern Rock bailed out by Bank of England

There's a message on the first login screen this morning that I didn't notice last night.

You may find logon times for your online accounts are longer than usual.

We apologise for this but please be patient, we can assure you that we will be able to deal with your transaction.

I've about €11.5k in NR. So about €855 is at risk in the still unlikely event that they go bust.
 
Did the Bank of England say they were going to guarantee all deposits, or is it just up to the FSA guaranteed level? I have considerably more in NR than an SSIA deposit sum, so tbh I am a tad worried if thats ok!
 
I have just tried to access my Northern Rock online account.
I last accessed it about three weeks ago when concerns were raised on www.askaboutmoney.com
On that occasion I had no trouble accessing the account as I have all the passwords written down.

However, this morning when I entered my password once I was presented with the message "Account Locked. Due to repeated failed log-in attempts your account has been locked." This is impossbile. Even if I did enter the password incorrecly this morning, that was only one attempt.

I suspect that Northern Rock are using their technology falsely to prevent customers from accessing their accounts.
 
To say this is very worrying for depositors is, with respect, scaremongering and a bit irresponsible.

They are solid and solvent.

Dinarius

I think that you are right that they are solid and solvent. But if I had money on deposit, I would be worried.

But there is a risk. A risk which does not exist in most other financial institutions at the moment. I would see no personal advantage to me in leaving money in Northern Rock. I would move it out and let the Bank of England solve the problem.

I took your approach to the Equitable. I was confident that there was no problem. But I was very wrong. I am confident that there is no problem with Northern Rock, but I could be very wrong.

Brendan
 
FWIW I managed to log in and complete a transaction in my demand online account at about 7:00 a.m. this morning. Of course will need to wait to see if the transaction is processed in the normal timeframe, but I did manage to get to the end of the process online (much slower than usual though and I got the 'service unavailable' message on the first attempt)

I think that their servers are just getting hammered - they would most likely have a single data center for UK and Ireland and everyone's first reaction since the news broke last night will be to try to log in.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6994160.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/14/cnrock514.xml
 
Same here.... I was working very late.... logged in at 4.30am without a hitch. Money's still there!

I agree with Braveinca above ... I think it's just too many people logging on at the same time, and that's clogging the system.

Everyone... deep breath... Relax. Ship's still floating.
 
Everyone... deep breath... Relax. Ship's still floating.

Yeah but why take the risk? It's not as if their rates are the best out there - Withdraw all funds would be my theory.

May be an over reaction, and a herding effect could cause further liquidity difficulties for them but im not risking my cash.
 
It's been half an hour and I still haven't got past the "Mother's Maiden Name" question. Have to go to work now :(. I agree with Shane's sentiments.
 
Dinarius

I think that you are right that they are solid and solvent. But if I had money on deposit, I would be worried.

But there is a risk. A risk which does not exist in most other financial institutions at the moment. I would see no personal advantage to me in leaving money in Northern Rock. I would move it out and let the Bank of England solve the problem.

I took your approach to the Equitable. I was confident that there was no problem. But I was very wrong. I am confident that there is no problem with Northern Rock, but I could be very wrong.

Brendan

Equitable was one of the things which came to mind a few weeks ago when the first bout of NR rumours surfaced. I had a substantial sum on deposit with NR, and frankly the additional percentage I was getting didn't justify any risk. I've moved the money elsewhere and closed the account.

It may be little more than scaremongering at this stage, but why take the risk? Better safe than sorry I think.
 
People need to relax. From watching BBC News this morning it is purely a liquidity issue. NR have no exposure to the sub prime market in the US. They borrow from the MM to lend to home buyers in the UK. The MM have dried up due the sub prime crisis (banks are getting cautious and are holding onto their cash rather than lending it) and NR simply are short liquid assets i.e. cash. They still have GBP 113 billion in assets!!!!!!!
 
There is two spokes to this puzzle, one logic, the other emotional ( deep fear), classic head vs heart. NR has I think abot £113bn in loan assets mostly mortgages. Its deposit base is a tiny fraction of this, less than 25% at £24 bn including the Irish deposit arm. This means the balance sheet is perfectly safe. Brendan refers to Equitable Life, but EL had an Enron style book keeping scandel ie falsified books and its With Profit model was a lot more complex than a simple savings and loans model which is NR as a recently demutualised Building Society.

Its problem is cash flow because of its exposure to the dried up wholesale money market hence it vulnerable to a takeover today or next week as its share price falls. Deposits are, then based on available info and supported by the regulator, perfectly safe.

On the emotional side there is the deepest fear in financial investment, a bank going bust and a deposit loss above the compensation scheme. The last one was Arab bank BCCI. This fear outweighs logic for most people who would be better for peace of mind to switch.

That leads to the question of to whom and which other Irish banks are also skating on thin liquidity. We don't know but I'd be unsurprised if Irelands most aggessive lenders like Anglo Irish aren't a tad nervous especially given their exposure to Irish developers. Safety first I think where credit rating ( now iffy) is king. NIB are now a branch of Danske regulated by the Danish regulator and maybe worth a look but both Irish main banks are sound IMHO.

In another sense this comes as a wake up call to every one not to take bank deposits for granted and to show due deference to credit rating and strength when choosing banks and not just rates which has been the focus everywhere including in AAM. Maybe from now on AAM should display S&P or Moody rating when displaying rates and show the lead to the print media?
 
I'm trying to access my account. The site is so slow, I don't want to go spend time opening up unnecessary pages.

Can anyone, take me thro what pages I need to go to in order to withdraw my funds.
 
In another sense this comes as a wake up call to every one not to take bank deposits for granted and to show due deference to credit rating and strength when choosing banks and not just rates which has been the focus everywhere including in AAM. Maybe from now on AAM should display S&P or Moody rating when displaying rates and show the lead to the print media?

They are rated Aa3 by Moodys with a short term rating of Prime 1. People haven't exactly being putting money into a coyboy outfit.

People need to relax about getting access to their accounts due to busy servers. Northern Rock are not going anywhere in the short term so you will get your money. Going forward, Northern Rock's business model is dead in the water and will probably be taken over
 
I'm trying to access my account. The site is so slow, I don't want to go spend time opening up unnecessary pages.

Can anyone, take me thro what pages I need to go to in order to withdraw my funds.


Main page is [broken link removed]

Click "Log In To You Online Accounts" on top left.

Follow the directions from there... make sure you scroll down to the bottom of each page before pressing "next"

Click on your account number when you get into your account, and then you can do whatever you need to do.

You only get three chances to enter password etc...
 
Bertie was right all along, keep all your money in cash!

Seriously though, the Bank of England and Gordon Brown are'nt going to let a big bank crash over a few million.

There is no talk about Northern Rock failing. It is important to remember that the BOE move was a loan and not a bailout. They simply got funding albeit at a penal rate. The market has been cutting credit lines to Northern Rock for the past month so I don't this move will come as a big surprise to many. Profits will suffer so I would be more worried as a shareholder than I would be as a depositor
 
One simple question... if you had 100k on deposit there, would you leave it there or remove it immediately?
 
Did you get in Lionheart?

Still at password page!! Now waiting for 30 mins. Looks like I won't get to my account page.

On the slim change that I will eventually get to my account, is there a "withdrawal" option. I don't recall seeing one before but its a few months since I accessed my account.

Can I transfer funds to an external account or is by cheque only?
 
You can have a same day transfer for 25euro to your nominated bank account.
 
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