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Anyone out for the film festival on sat? Enjoy Nine Songs?.....i disagree with the negative comments on nine songs.....spotted a review on the film back in October and put it in my brain diary as one to watch!....it popped up at the Jameson film festival and so an opportunity arose to see what all the fuss was about.......thoroughly enjoyed all 65 minutes!......thought the film was beautiful at times,sad at others but basically real....was blown away by the piano music....yeah the film did begin and end with zero character development but so what, that wasn't the aim of the film...it just lets u wonder ...(and want to go to the antarctic!!).......an artistic film well worth a watch in my opinion....agree?.....
 
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Would be surprised if you found many festival types in here! I missed it, hope to see it on a wider release soon.
 
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What makes a festival type?.....enjoy when it does come your way....
 
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Never heard of it until I saw a letter in today's indo titled "This porn should be banned"
 
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yea, read that letter on the indo too, classic. Harold's cross, no less. I bet they make those letters up.
 
"Pornography" I hear you say!
If society is to collapse then I can think of no better means to bring it about....I had better go and see this film before a riotous mob reduces the place to ashes.
 
Amazing to hear the censor on teh Late Late last night taking about this film. Certainly cheered me up to see that at last we are coming out of the dark ages with a guy like him.

I wasn't sure who was the more irritating, the old fogey who hadn't seen the film but was fascinated at learning two new words that sounded good ie. PENIS and VAGINA. Or perhaps it was the young one behind who kept giggling at the most inappropriate moments to her friends. How come the Late Late seems to attract only people who have never seem themselves on camera before. And how come the producer never thinks to tell the cameraman to move or focus on the person who is talking rather than the person doing the waving?

Roy
 
And how come the producer never thinks to tell the cameraman to move or focus on the person who is talking rather than the person doing the waving?
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They did - They brought in a different camera to shoot the guy from the opposite side, showing her friend (who was marginally less giggly).
 
So how is it that all channels from pretty much every other country you don't see every second person going "I'm in the telly" during chat shows.

Roy
 
Relatively few shows go out to the audience in that way - The only one I can think of that does this was Graham Norton, where the audience member was as likely to be showing their genitalia as winking or nudging.
 
At one time the man complaining on The late Late Show would have been one voice among many. Now he is pilloried as some sort of anachronism. What about basic human morality and decency? Or is this to be pilloried too? The vacuum left by the collapse of the Churches authority has been filled with the most pathetic giggling pre-pubescent immaturity. I think everyone needs to just grow up.
 
You only heard what you want to hear, Geegee. Did you listen to John Kelleher the censor - he was the voice of reason, morality & decency. He said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it was a crap film, but if adults want to go and watch this crap, they are more than welcome to do so. The elderly gentleman in the audience did not give any reason why adults should not be permitted to see this film. His basic complaint was that children might get in to see it. If we follow his logic, we should ban all cigarette sales, all alcohol sales, all motor car sales on the basis that children might get to drink/smoke/drive.
 
Did you listen to John Kelleher the censor - he was the voice of reason, morality & decency. He said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that it was a crap film, but if adults want to go and watch this crap, they are more than welcome to do so.
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What about protecting society from itself if need be? This is hardcore pornography which has been available for a long time but not in the mainstream. Therefore, there was always a bit of a "pervert" connotation to it so people would not advertise the fact that they were viewing it. By putting it on general release it only serves to "normalise" hardcore pornography and give the impression that gratuitous sex is a form of entertainment.

The elderly gentleman in the audience did not give any reason why adults should not be permitted to see this film.
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He didn't need to - like I said earlier, what about basic morality and decency? Did he really need to state the obvious?

His basic complaint was that children might get in to see it.
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Yes, and is this not a totally legitimate complaint as it goes without saying that children will get to see it both in the cinema and at home.

If we follow his logic, we should ban all cigarette sales, all alcohol sales, all motor car sales on the basis that children might get to drink/smoke/drive.
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Come on! Comparing hardcore pornography with the above? Incredulous. Children observing adults smoking is not morally corrupting. Drinking alcohol isn't either and can be life enhancing if done in moderation. Driving causes pollution but it is a necessary evil.

I know my opinions are not in keeping with the pseudo "cool" mentality that exists today where anyone who objects on grounds of morality and decency is some sort of freak,so I do expect you will not be alone in your views.
 
He didn't need to - like I said earlier, what about basic morality and decency? Did he really need to state the obvious?

Actually he completely contradicted himself when Pat Kenny mentioned the fact that there was plenty of rubbish elsewhere in the media (TV, movies, books, magazines etc.) that some people might choose to consume and he (the bloke in the audience) said something along the lines of "well, if that's what they want they can have it". I would totally agree with him on this specific point. In my opinion grown adults should be allowed do and see whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm other non-consenting individuals.

give the impression that gratuitous sex is a form of entertainment.

What's wrong with gratuitous sex? Do you think we should all be paying for it instead? In my experience gratuitous sex is indeed quite entertaining, not least of all for the participants.
 
I would totally agree with him on this specific point. In my opinion grown adults should be allowed do and see whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm other non-consenting individuals.
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It does harm non-consenting individuals if their partner has a warped view of sex and views it as an entity in itself rather than part of a relationship. If, as a result of this, they seek the services of a professional i.e. prostitute this may not be conjusive with a happy relationship and would harm non-consenting individuals.

What's wrong with gratuitous sex? Do you think we should all be paying for it instead? In my experience gratuitous sex is indeed quite entertaining, not least of all for the participants.
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Definition number three:3. Unnecessary or unwarranted; unjustified: gratuitous criticism, as you well know, is what I mean here but if the debate is to descend into farce then so be it.
 
It does harm non-consenting individuals if their partner has a warped view of sex and views it as an entity in itself rather than part of a relationship.

Who do you envisage would provide the definition of "warped" in this context? What about single individuals or those in non-committed relationships? Why should viewing sex as an entity (of do you mean "end"?) in itself necessarily be a bad thing?

If, as a result of this, they seek the services of a professional i.e. prostitute this may not be conjusive with a happy relationship and would harm non-consenting individuals.

Why do you assume that these things would (might?) happen just because somebody chooses to view explicit sexual content? What about couples who choose to mutually consent to "open" relationships?
 
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I place strong emphasis on conventional family values within the nuclear family and lament the moral breakdown of society. I do not nor want to have an "anything goes" type of mentality - being a parent would prevent me even if I wanted to.

Knowing that your ultra-liberal view is commonplace, I find it incredible that a population which was until very recently enslaved by the church ( I never was) is now so broad minded. Is it that they were in the closet for all of that time or have they just discarded their moral values with wanton abandon and tried to make up for lost time? Ireland was renowned for its morality - was it all just a veneer?
 
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Geegee I'm with Clubman on this one. The morality that you speak of may well have been a veneer because of the status of the Catholic Church and the influence that had on our public behaviour. However I am not sure that in the privacy of our own homes gratuitous sex was taboo. I think the old saying that "there was no sex in Ireland before the Late Late Shown came onto our screens" sums it up.

Roy
 
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Hi Geegee - Who do you propose should become the arbiters of what constitutues 'basic morality & decency'? You? The guy in the audience? Personally, I'd prefer sensible, decent people like John Kelleher the film censor who treats adults like adults. I disagree with your view around the collapse of family values. Ireland was not a moral stronghold in the 'olden days' - it was just that those unfortunate enough to have their 'sins' become visible through pregnancy were locked away in Magdelene laundries washing priests underwear for the rest of their lives so that they didn't cause offence. Their children went on to be physically or sexually abused in orphanages, but all that was swept under the carpet too. If that was the 'good old days', give me freely available hard-core pornography any day.

And by the way, not everyone would agree with your basic tenet that hard-core porn was something nasty to be kept to back-lane sex shops. IMHO, the OK/Hello magazines on the bottom shelf are probably far more harmful to society than the top shelf magazines given their glorification of the cult of celebrity and unrealistic body images.
 
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