NB:-Shocking discovery on clawback concept during sale of A/H Apartment

Discussion in 'Affordable housing and shared ownership' started by zen, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. zen

    zen Frequent Poster

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    Folks, for what its worth, thanks for the feedback and debate. There is too much digression in the responses. I dont think there is anything left to be said on the clawback specifically.

    For the effort on Brendans part:-
    Your excel is an improvement on what was published (but not issued to us as part of any information pack I received). Just to make you aware, your first line suggests a payment to the council of 0 after a purchase price of 150 and a sale of 140. This is incorrect, you will be burdened for the 10k (with interest) negeq. The example could also include any (hypothetical) equity built up also if the objective is to help people understand the clawback. Appreciated nonetheless.
     
  2. Brendan Burgess

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    You won't be paying the €10k to the council. That is money you will have paid to your lender. Which, of course, could be the council, charging you 1.8%.

    Brendan
     
  3. Easter

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    It's a long time since I was registered with this site, but I had to reregister today to respond.

    I bought on the affordable housing scheme 9 years ago and made it my business to fully understand all of the implications of such a big commitment. We were given everything very clearly in writing and had face to face meetings to discuss. It seems you misunderstood, but that does not make it a scam.

    I fully understood the terms and conditions around clawback. 9 years in I feel extremely lucky to finally be out of negative equity. My property isn't worth what I paid for it still, but I have 30k equity in it now. My neighbours who paid full market price are not so lucky.

    As long as the council did not hold me to an unreasonable market value now, I would be happy to pay the clawback. There are thousands of people on lists for housing that need assistance from the council. Let the council's fair share return to them and let others benefit from council assistance.

    We got a leg up to get on the property ladder. The sense of entitlement in your post is unbelievable and gives us all a bad name.

    I'm not at all surprised that people failed to understand clawback. My own spouse still doesn't after it being explained for nearly a decade! It's not the council's fault though.

    Many people also don't understand why you have to pay management fees and half the people who bought on affordable housing in my block just refused to pay until we clamped them as a management company!

    I think lots of people failed to understand lots of things in purchasing property.

    The sense of entitlement in your post is baffling and makes me deeply embarrassed to have bought on the AF scheme.

    Others would give their right arm to be in our position.

    There is no digression in this thread. People are rightfully baffled and I would imagine angered by your attitude.
     
  4. ClubMan

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    Well, at the risk of just repeating what others have said on this issue, that is an obvious MISunderstanding on your part (and that of everyone you know in this situation presumably).
    If the clawback percentage applied to anything over the discounted price that you paid then you WOULD be making money off this scheme (in your case 72% of the sale price minus the discounted purchase price).
    That makes little sense and (a) I'm not sure why anybody would expect to make such easy money and (b) if you were not correctly apprised of the details of the scheme and the clawback mechanism at the time of purchase then you only have yourself or your solicitor/advisors to blame and not the scheme itself or the powers that be.
    The previous post makes it clear that not everybody in your situation was so misinformed about this issue.
    Others have explained in more detail why this scheme is more than fair to you and why you really shouldn't be complaining or calling it out as some sort of scam.
    If you cannot see or accept this then unfortunately that's your problem and you are wasting your time ranting about it.
     
  5. postman pat

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    zen for what its worth i can see your point.... if i didnt know better from some of the posts.. we should have filled our boots with affordable houses!!..off topic,but what the heck;)
     
  6. Brooklyn

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    The Housing Agency has this information on its website:

    That's a fairly long-winded way of saying that they have to pay every euro they get over the price they paid for it up to the original market value, but it is there. A lot of people weren't aware of this when they bought (I wasn't) but the information was available if we looked for it. The legislation also sets out the formula so we could have done the maths ourselves.

    https://www.housingagency.ie/Housing-Information/Home-Ownership/Living-in-an-Affordable-Home
     
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  7. zen

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    Thanks Postman Pat, some mild compassion for my efforts to help peoples misunderstanding regardless of my personal experience or opinion.

    The thread title is very clear, its about the clawback.

    I just saw Brooklyns response. Ive seen some of your posts before and they seem coherently constructive deserving respect and the occasional reply.

    So you agree with me, you say you and a lot of people weren't aware of this. You now know how this works? If I've helped anyone understand this the simple thanks wouldn't go astray.

    As for the 7ft Tall SJWs hiding behind keyboards ascending on me like a pack of killer bees go do something constructive with your time. Your responses have no effect on me whatsoever. I've no idea nor do I care what your purpose is on this forum, you will not be wasting any more of my time.

    This thread was read over 2 thousand times and I know some have benefited or at the bare minimum will investigate their understanding of the Affordable Housing Clawback clause.

    p.s. I'm going through this sale process so I have first hand understanding on how its working as they have told me directly how it works and now I'm telling you all. If anyone has any questions about the sale process send me a PM and I'll help if I can. This thread is too long now.

    It takes a lot more than a few abusive and dismissive remarks to make me withdraw my helping hand. Look at that RTE Documentary "Ireland's property crisis" for crying out loud.... did that echo a generation who were all "well informed" beforehand?
     
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  8. Easter

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    I wasn't being abusive or dismissive. I'm interested to know what you think of my point that clawback should be rightfully paid back to the council so that others can be helped with affordable housing as we have been.

    I think you have actually been quite dismissive yourself of others observations that you are much luckier than many. I understand that you seem to have been stressed by your experience of AF, but your misunderstanding doesn't make it a scam. Different perspectives and experiences given weren't abusive. You used very emotive language and I think you got quite restrained responses.
     
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  9. Sarenco

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    Zen

    I have read back through the entire thread and I can't see a single post that contained either dismissive or abusive remarks.

    I don't agree that there was anything confusing about how the scheme worked. The fact that you misunderstood the scheme doesn't mean it was confusing. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

    Hopefully you can now see that there was no scam here and that the operation of the scheme has actually worked out very much in your favour the way things have panned out.
     
  10. Brendan Burgess

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    You didn't look very carefully.

    There are plenty of them - but all posted by Zen.

    Brendan
     
  11. qwerty5

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    I don't know anything about the clawback so not commenting on that. Is that solicitors advice good though?
    If you're offered €150K by one person and somebody else offers €170K and you sell for €150K are you not gifting €20K to the buyer, so there'd be some tax implications somewhere.