In the spirit of the utterances of Plato are you suggesting that maybe we can build an imperfect copy in this physical world of the theoretical Metro that exists in his intelligible world of Forms?
In the spirit of the utterances of Plato are you suggesting that maybe we can build an imperfect copy in this physical world of the theoretical Metro that exists in his intelligible world of Forms?Until then it's really about biting the bullet and looking at things that are proven to work in terms of mobility around cities like Athens that started to be built before even Plato was conceiving Forms
Are we back on the Motorway to Letterkenny bandwagon?This is laughable.
Its not critical for an individual living in the north west of the country that has no access to a motorway or rail in order to travel to dublin.
I would argue that infrastrutural improvements in the north west are critical for the north west and the Ireland as a whole.
I do think our motorway and rail network should extend to the north west of our country as it does to all other parts.Are we back on the Motorway to Letterkenny bandwagon?
What is the maximum subsidy per passenger that you'd accept for a train service to Letterkenny?I do think our motorway and rail network should extend to the north west of our country as it does to all other parts.
Wow, that's the first I've heard of that. There's already going to be a line from the airport to Stephen's Green as part of the much large and more comprehensive €20 billion Metro project. Is this in addition to that?And this point is made in the context of spending 20bn on a train from the airport to st stephens green.
Oh no, I meant dribble alright.
What a redundant form of debate. I'll deal with the tangible benefits in a second but urban locations subsidise rural. Yes rural areas provide certain tangible benefits a city never can, but there is an absolute that populations have become more urban and that is where activity tends to lie. In Ireland we are heavily reliant on the success of Dublin and Cork (for example) - the tax receipts and redistribution alone show this. And before the "balanced regional" types come in, this is not unusual internationally. Secondly, Ireland 2040 already has massive redistribution on infrastrucutre and Dublin will continue to be under invested in relative to its needs under the plan. This follows decades of Government policy in Ireland that was inherently anti urban and gave up the goodies to making everyone a little less grumbly.This is laughable.
Its not critical for an individual living in the north west of the country that has no access to a motorway or rail in order to travel to dublin.
I would argue that infrastrutural improvements in the north west are critical for the north west and Ireland as a whole.
Oh Lordy, another one listening to MOL.I do think our motorway and rail network should extend to the north west of our country as it does to all other parts.
And this point is made in the context of spending 20bn on a train from the airport to st stephens green.
I'm not sure what your point here is caller, it's a word people use day to day now to discuss forms of debate. It might be a little uncouth, but my contribution here is certainly more substantive than your little post in here.I used to try smart answers like that when people caught me out. But then I grew up.
What an odd attitude to what comprises a city and how a city works.What benefit do you think someone living within the Canals gets from the Motorway network day to day? Do people realise that a significant number of Dubs rarely see even the M50? These people often don't even own cars, yet have seen their streets and city torn up for people looking to commute in from the suburbs or who are "up for the match".
I am not against motorways. I am making the point that many people would conceive it as a "Dublin" centric investment. It absolutely aids Dublin (although it could be argued that it is the car centric vision of society that forced the need for expensive ring roads), but it actually has little relation to many Dubliners day to day lives.What an odd attitude to what comprises a city and how a city works.
Without the motorway network, would these people have teachers to teach their children, nurses to look after them when they're ill, Gardai to police their streets, or tradesmen and repairmen to fix things in their homes?
I genuinely think you're underestimating this - for the reasons I point out above. Without commuters, many modern city functions simply wouldn't work.but it actually has little relation to many Dubliners day to day lives.
Services worked in urban locations before the motorcar. Cities predate them. We also had mass transit and commuters before they arrived on streets. Quality of life has improved generally for other reasons.I genuinely think you're underestimating this - for the reasons I point out above. Without commuters, many modern city functions simply wouldn't work.
There has been basically zero heavy rail built in Dublin since the Loopline bridge in 1891.
Without commuters, many modern city functions simply wouldn't work.
Services worked in urban locations before the motorcar.
Exactly.The DART was just the electrification of existing lines and a few new stations.
Your response was talking about the motorways. Streets that got torn up as I described was for the car, by and large.
It was also aboutYour response was talking about the motorways.
That's all.Without commuters, many modern city functions simply wouldn't work.
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