Sister Sara
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I don't think it was 'institutional belief' that brought the construction industry to a grinding halt. It was bankruptcy, private and public.
The folly was the institutional belief, despite the clear empirical evidence to the contrary produced by the 2011 census results, that housing would never need to be constructed at scale and consequent failure to preserve significant capacity in the construction industry.
Any that were slums could have been dealt with. No new ones permitted. It did not have to involve banning them outright without a solid durable basis for meeting the accomodation needs of their occupants.So did slums. So do homeless hostels and hotels serving as emergency accommodation. As in fairness do massive mansions in leafy suburbs occupied by MCDowell and his ilk. Same way drug dealers fill a role in the justice system.
Many of us grew up in houses like that.Young people have it too comfortable these days.
I remember sharing a bedsit in Rathgar... there was frost on the inside of the windows.
This is why they won't be ever coming back. Anyone who is not nearing pension age or outside Rathmines never heard of them and when mentioned are horrified that people once lived in such squalor. This is what happens when you give the childer a bedroom each growing up
Lools like 1 step and 2 steps back to me...It's called progress.
Hey! Maybe some. But some Dubs on here grew up in a small terraced house 2.4 children and 1 bathroom. Thats a different kind of house sharing...I imagine they had never experienced house sharing and all that comes with it.
Most likely Dubs who tend to have the luxury of living at home before buying.
For her.For you or for her?
Badly. But I don't delude myself that she would fair well if bedsits were permitted. The thread already refers to the phenomenon of people paying absurd amounts to live in squalid conditions in overcrowded shared houses. If we still had bedsits, people would be paying absurd amounts to live in squalid bedsits. The housing crisis wasn't caused by the ban on bedits, and won't be magically fixed by reintroducing them.If your widowed grandparent with a reduced income were to look for accommodation now, how do you think they would fare?
Also, it is in Threshold's interest to have a 'campaign' as that encourages donationsThreshold has been deeply political for decades and its leftist extremism has badly corrupted public policy on housing provision.
Yep, moved to Dublin in the early 2000s and lived in a variety of house/apartment shares and anyone I knew in Rathmines was living in a redbrick divided up into flats rather than bedsits. There was still plenty of squalor though.Anyone who is not nearing pension age or outside Rathmines never heard of them
Hmmm, census shows lots of preschool children in the country. Should we build some schools? Nah, there's enough room for all the kids on the schools right now. It's finedespite the clear empirical evidence to the contrary produced by the 2011 census results,
The bedsit ban was implemented by legislation requiring every rented property to have its own bath/toilet facilities, which have to be separated from the rest of the property by a door, and also its own food cooking and storage facilities.It's a shame that upgrading wouldn't have been an option, I think they do have a place, ideally with a small bathroom tucked in but these days with pod type bathrooms you'd think it would be possible to have purpose built bedsit type accomodation which of course will be small but should be cheaper to rent too.
There's a serious amount of inverted snobbery in this thread.As in fairness do massive mansions in leafy suburbs occupied by MCDowell and his ilk. Same way drug dealers fill a role in the justice system.
Young people these days can't afford that. They have to keep living with their parents. I'm in my 50's and I can say unequivocally that my generation had it much easier than young people these days.Young people have it too comfortable these days.
I remember sharing a bedsit in Rathgar... there was frost on the inside of the windows.
We had candles.. if it got too cold, we lit one.
+1There's a serious amount of inverted snobbery in this thread.
As in fairness do massive mansions in leafy suburbs occupied by MCDowell and his ilk. Same way drug dealers fill a role in the justice system.
Good analogy; the really stupid policy of reducing classroom sizes has become a political Holy Grail, despite a shortage of teachers who are willing to teach, the very high capital cost of providing more schools and the fact that below a size of 30 there are very limited benefits to the students. The shortage of school places is an entirely manufactured and utterly unnecessary phenomena.Hmmm, census shows lots of preschool children in the country. Should we build some schools? Nah, there's enough room for all the kids on the schools right now. It's fine
As many above, I went to college in Dublin in the 90s and knew loads of people living in bedsits. You can tell by McDowells usual ill informed rubbish that he never in his life set foot in the frozen, damp, bone chilling pneumonia inducing Irish bedsits of rathmines and Drumcondra. House shares near college were infinitely better standards. Implying that threshold wanted actual standards and then wanted co living, mixing up what various departments listening to various vested property developing interests wanted. Never backing anything up with solid facts, just the wealthy point of view of what the poor should be happy with. Most of the conversion of houses was due to gentrification of bedsit land not rules and there are still plenty of very poor standard ‘pre 63’ accommodation outside of Rathmines, Ranelagh and Drumcondra. Just McDowell wouldn’t be aware of any of the areas.