bradyassoc
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The "fact" you quoted about hospitalisations were out of context and incorrectly compared to current numbers (comparing total versus a point in time). That was pointed out to you and you then changed to "deaths are the real metric".
Your thesis is that this is no worse than the flu of 2017 / 2018. Leaving aside the medical differences, that is incorrect no matter what measure you pick. To pick the "real metric" - total deaths during that flu season was 255 according to the link you provided. Up to yesterday, the number for Covid was 1,868. Total ICU cases during that flu season was 191 - far less than with Covid. Total notified cases was 11,889 versus >53k (though more testing will lead to more know cases).
So why not go find a fact that proves your thesis
I'm sorry but that's just not true, the data is widely available on this. I'm not getting into the trenches on this as I don't have the time, energy or interest in fighting anonymous people in trenches but suffice to say that we weren't actively looking for people with flu virus in 2018 by conducting 100,000 tests per week nor were distinguishing between "with" or "of" flu or documenting the positivity rate, IFR, R rate, cases, nor did we redefine what an ICU case was or what a Flu case was.
Leaving all that aside as I doubt that any facts or data I present will convince you otherwise. The most basic fact of all is that very few people are dying from COVID, this is not the killer virus we led to believe and we now know that lockdown and restrictions have little to no impact on this virus. Trying to control the virus is like trying to control or legislate which way the wind blows. You cannot find any correlation between the severity of a lockdown and the following result, it doesn't exist. Yes some people will and have died (unfortunate but not unexpected), but the vast majority will not - which is a good thing because it seems that posters like yourself genuinely can't see the situation with a larger sense of perspective anymore.
Maybe it's because you're (all) so invested in your online position, maybe it's because you've been overwhelmed with so much information and negativity on this topic in the media that it's understandably hard to see anything else. The hyper-focus on the increasing "cases" count is a perfect example. Yes cases are going up, because we are testing more thoroughly on mostly healthy people, but that tells us nothing of the outcomes or recovery in the majority of those cases. A more realistic message would be that there is a virus in the wild that may have serious - or fatal - consequences to a very small percentage of the population. However, overall most people will not contract it, or if they do the effects will be temporary and not severe. Again, people ARE going to die from this. It's unavoidable but it's also not realistic or practical to impose blanket disproportionate restrictions on the whole population to try to protect a small percentage of the most vulnerable by bulldozing legislation through the Oireachtas without reflection, scrutiny or debate which is an affront to our basic democratic procedures and to the duty of our elected representatives. These restrictions give wide ranging powers to the Minister for Health to make regulations restricting our rights including our rights to move freely, our rights to meet with others, and to enjoy a private and family life, to organise events, and to earn a living.
But on our tombstone it will say “We followed the science.”
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