"Just because Brussels gives me a mandate to stop the rain..."

Brendan Burgess

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I heard a European politician dismissing the UK Parliament's mandate to Teresa May to negotiate away the backstop saying "It's as meaningless as giving me a mandate to stop the rain from falling...". It's not going to have any effect.

The whole thing is a farce.

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I suspect it is the start of talking MPs round to voting to stay in the custom union,
Face saving is the name of the game being played out in HOC,
 

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If europe was run by people with a mandate maybe britain wouldnt want to leave.
More honest to leave than to do what france hungary poland greece do and just ignore what they dont want to do.
 

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Nothing Ireland can do to deal with a tory party schism yet we will likely suffer more than the UK

Never mind no pay rises for nurses, we may have to cut pay

Bad brexit = all bets off
 

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If europe was run by people with a mandate maybe britain wouldnt want to leave.
More honest to leave than to do what france hungary poland greece do and just ignore what they dont want to do.
Most who voted to leave to stop Johnny Foreigner'
 

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Yet still claim the UK don't want a hard border on the island of Ireland
The Issue of a border did not come up in 2016 before vote, I expect any talk with EU will involve how to stop Johnny foreigner using Ireland/ NI to get to UK in the unlikely event of no Custom Union,
 
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Brexit was brought about by three main cohorts:

- Cynical toffs like Jacob Rees Mogg. His wealth sits in IFSC-based Somerset Capital. In a post-hard Brexit dystopian United Kingdom, his Euros and Dollars would enable him to buy up half of Surrey.

- The moronic underclass who have no idea what’s going on; they looks for restaurants with pictures of the food outside when on holidays. They may even work for Nissan in Sunderland but think voting to leave makes sense. They’re against immigration but it’s actually Commonwealth immigration that grinds their gears; they don’t even realise that EU migrants are significant net contributors to the Treasury.

- Selfish older people who hark back to Britain’s glory days and the Commonwealth; totally misguided and see above re racism/immigration.
 

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Brexit was brought about by three main cohorts:

- Cynical toffs like Jacob Rees Mogg. His wealth sits in IFSC-based Somerset Capital. In a post-hard Brexit dystopian United Kingdom, his Euros and Dollars would enable him to buy up half of Surrey.

- The moronic underclass who have no idea what’s going on; they looks for restaurants with pictures of the food outside when on holidays. They may even work for Nissan in Sunderland but think voting to leave makes sense. They’re against immigration but it’s actually Commonwealth immigration that grinds their gears; they don’t even realise that EU migrants are significant net contributors to the Treasury.

- Selfish older people who hark back to Britain’s glory days and the Commonwealth; totally misguided and see above re racism/immigration.
Annoys me when some media commentators claim we can help out our neighbours here.

We have no business getting involved in a crisis within English nationalism.
 

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They may even work for Nissan in Sunderland but think voting to leave makes sense.
Renault of course owns 44% of Nissan, which in turn owns a chunk of Renault shares. Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi-Infiniti but intrinsically British and not one whit owned Johnny Foreigner in the minds of their Sunderland employees no doubt.

The Brexit/bad Brexit is gonna cost us dear. Do May & Co understand what they've agreed to, do they not understand that Non means No?

And when will British (and some unducated Irish) commentators stop referring to the "Irish border"? It is not an Irish border and never was. It is a British border imposed on the island of Ireland by the British when they gerrrymandered its creation post occupation. Typical Brit withdrawal - partition everyone and everything and leave decades of death and misery in their wake. India/Afghanistan/Pakistan anyone, just as an example?
 
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galway_blow_in

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Renault of course owns 44% of Nissan, which in turn owns a chunk of Renault shares. Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi-Infiniti but intrinsically British and not one whit owned Johnny Foreigner in the minds of their Sunderland employees no doubt.

The Brexit/bad Brexit is gonna cost us dear. Do May & Co understand what they've agreed to, do they not understand that Non means No?

And when will British (and some unducated Irish) commentators stop referring to the "Irish border"? It is not an Irish border and never was. It is a British border imposed on the island of Ireland by the British when they gerrrymandered its creation post occupation. Typical Brit withdrawal - partition everyone and everything and leave decade of death and misery in their wake. India/Afghanistan/Pakistan anyone, just as an example?
The brits are terrifyingly ignorant of their own history and geography it seems
 

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Thar it didn't cross voters mind is a damming indictment of how little mainland brits care about Northern Ireland
There's no "Mainland Britain". There's just "Britain". The "Mainland" is where France and Germany are. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It is not part of Britain and never was.

Brexit is proof positive that Conor Cruise O'Brien was right; the irony is that the only way Northern Unionism will survive is within a United Ireland because the English, and their hinterlands of Wales and Scotland, don't care a damn about them.
 

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There was little or no talk about the customs union/trade during the Brexit referendum. It was all about immigration.

Since then, it's obvious that the UK has tried to isolate Ireland, hoping that the EU will throw us under the bus. It hasn't happened yet.

Instead, the UK could solve its backstop dilemma by expelling Northern Ireland from the UK.
 

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The UK's position is the backstop is not necessary as it is possible to have a "technological solution" to the land border between the UK and the EU. If that was true then they wouldn't have a problem with the backstop in the first place.
 

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There's no "Mainland Britain". There's just "Britain". The "Mainland" is where France and Germany are. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It is not part of Britain and never was.

Brexit is proof positive that Conor Cruise O'Brien was right; the irony is that the only way Northern Unionism will survive is within a United Ireland because the English, and their hinterlands of Wales and Scotland, don't care a damn about them.
Ironic you cite Conor cruise o Brien who was staunchly opposed to a united Ireland
 

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There was little or no talk about the customs union/trade during the Brexit referendum. It was all about immigration.

Since then, it's obvious that the UK has tried to isolate Ireland, hoping that the EU will throw us under the bus. It hasn't happened yet.

Instead, the UK could solve its backstop dilemma by expelling Northern Ireland from the UK.
I think they will solve it by staying in the CU which May wanted all along but could not come out and say so until the anti CU wing ran out of options,
 

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Ironic you cite Conor cruise o Brien who was staunchly opposed to a united Ireland
I was never a fan of his but to be fair he was opposed to a united Ireland without the consent of the majority in Northern Ireland, a position which was very unpopular in the 60's and 70's but the vast majority in this country now support. His argument was that it is, ironically, in the interest of Unionism to give that consent. It was that view that caused him to be kicked out of/resign from the UK Unionist Party.
 
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