Israel’s war on Iran

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Isreal bombing Iran now. They claim Iran are months away from a nuclear bomb. Netenyahu said the same in 2012.

I predict that Isreal will land troops at the nuclear sites within weeks.
 
I wouldn't trust a bare syllable out of that mad-dogs' mouth. He is an arch war-monger.

I don't think Israeli boots on the ground is realistic though. Iran has a near 1 million personnel in the military.

I think the idea is to humiliate Iran through Israels superiority in the air, crippling the functionality of the government and trying to invoke a peoples revolt against the Islamic regime when energy and food shortages arise next winter.
 
Sister Sara said:
I wouldn't trust a bare syllable out of that mad-dogs' mouth. He is an arch war-monger.
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No doubt!

But It is not just Netanyahu, in March 2023, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that it had discovered uranium that had been enriched to 83.7% purity in Fordo, Iran — close to the enrichment level, 90%, necessary for nuclear weapons.

Israel cannot destroy the major nuclear site at Fordo as it is buried in a mountain.

It is trying to entice the US to destroy it as only the US has the “bunker buster” bomb.

Because of its size, only the US B-2 stealth bomber can carry it.

Trump left the G7 summit early and claims he is still seeking a deal with Iran “before it’s too late”.

He didn’t clarify what he meant by “too late” but the US Air Force is moving refuelling tankers, aircraft and additional warplanes to “support any of its additional operations in the Middle East” .
 
Sophrosyne said:
the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that it had discovered uranium that had been enriched to 83.7% purity in Fordo, Iran — close to the enrichment level, 90%, necessary for nuclear weapons.
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That is the danger for sure.
But before Trump tore up the nuclear deal in his first term Irans uranium enrichment was somewhere like 6%.

In Israels latest act of aggression it killed Iran chief negotiator, Ali Shamkhani (there are some reports that he survived) for the arranged talks that were with US scheduled this week.

Mr Shamkhani is reported as saying as recently as last week that Iran was ready to do a deal. A deal that would allow for the enrichment solely for the purposes of civilian energy use and that Iran did not want a nuclear weapon.
Director of US National Intelligience, Tulsi Gabbard, recently confirmed that the US had no evidence that Iran had a program to develop a nuclear weapon.

The talks were due to commence earlier this week. That was before Israels aggression that made sure no deal between the US and Iran would occur.

Any yet Israel has its own nuclear programs yet does not allow IAEA to inspect.

What hold does Israel have over the West, the US, EU and UK, that they can get away with so much crime?

Israel is governed by a rogue, fascist, genocidal, sectarian cult - zionism. To me, they really, genuinely, believe that they are "God's chosen people" and that the prophecies of God delivering Israel to the Israelites (via Western weaponary and financing :rolleyes: ) must be realised.

They are fanatics, extremists, supremacists, and are the greatest threat to peace and stability in the region and further afield.
 
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Sophrosyne said:
Israel cannot destroy the major nuclear site at Fordo as it is buried in a mountain.

It is trying to entice the US to destroy it as only the US has the “bunker buster” bomb.

Because of its size, only the US B-2 stealth bomber can carry it.
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Capturing the surface and pumping poison gas into the air intake would be much simpler.
 
Persia said:
He will do whatever Putin instructs him to do.;)
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It looks like putin is getting worried all the same, if the Americans were to take out the Iranian regime or destroy its nuclear program it would make putin look an awful lot weaker. Afterall Russia and Iran signed a mutual defence arrangement and Iran has been sending weapons to Russia in its invasion of Ukraine, yet putin has been relatively silent regarding the attacks on Iran and is not able to do anything to help them despite their defence agreement. Also the Iranian missile defences are russian made and have proven very ineffective against the Israeli strikes. A successful albeit highly risky overthrow of Iranian regime would make putins position extremely precarious
 
joe sod said:
Afterall Russia and Iran signed a mutual defence arrangement
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While they talked that up initially, there was no reference to defence in the final agreement. They agreed to share technology, but explicitly moved away from any language that would bind them to mutual defence.
 
cremeegg said:
Capturing the surface and pumping poison gas into the air intake would be much simpler.
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There are alternatives available to Israel, which would involve a ground incursion of special forces, perhaps with Mossad. It would be extremely risky but not impossible.

But Netanyahu wants US involvement and he seems to have Trump’s measure.
 
Trump might be listening to his better advisors.

He has delayed his decision on whether to attack for 2 weeks - perhaps to allow more time for diplomacy.
 
It's regime change under the guise of fear of WMD, where there are none. Where have we heard that before?

It's all about the oil and the US dollar. Nothing to do with religious persecution or denial of freedoms. The US couldn't care a jot about that.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-ends-oil-transactions-in-us-dollars/

They have even put a former ISIS leader in charge of Syria! So long as the oil is traded through US dollars.

The corporate fascists are in control and they are no longer hiding it.

Even Obama has recently admitted that the US is coming dangerously close to an autocracy.
 
cremeegg
"Capturing the surface and pumping poison gas into the air intake would be much simpler"
that wont destroy the equipment just recruit new worker/scientists off we go again ,it would have to be destroyed totally on the inside of that mountain
memory bit hazy north korea blew a entrance to one of their nuclear labs years ago ,(big publicity show ) when all quietened down reopened entrance ,
thing is now iran is going to go full steam ahead to get a nuke in rapid time
 
I don't think Israel really care about regime change, they just want Iran to be chaotic. Keep the Republican Guard busy with internal unrest means they can't do much externally. An Iranian civil war would probably suit them.
 
The Americans are now involved. While Israel is not a good actor in all of this there is no doubt that a Nuclear armed Iran is more of a danger to the world than a nuclear armed Israel.
 
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Sister Sara said:
Israel is governed by a rogue, fascist, genocidal, sectarian cult - zionism
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Zionism is the belief that Israel has the right to exist. That’s all. Most of the people in the world are Zionists. That in no way means they agree with or support the current Israeli government.
Sister Sara said:
me, they really, genuinely, believe that they are "God's chosen people"
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So do Christians, and Muslims. Islam believes that everyone on earth should be converted to Islam, via the sword if necessary. In fact if you don’t actively participate in that endeavour you aren’t a proper Muslim. Christians are also required to actively proselytise. In that sense both of those religions have shown themselves to be a far greater threat to global stability. All Abrahamic religions are derivatives of the same Bronze Age cult and all are grounded in the same babbling nonsense.
Sister Sara said:
What hold does Israel have over the West, the US, EU and UK, that they can get away with so much crime?
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They don’t pose a threat to the Wests interests in the region. Therefore the Wests sanctions will be weak and largely symbolic. The same applies to the reaction of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other countries in the region who hate Iran and its proxies and are happy to see Israel do the heavy lifting in destroying them, even if they are totally against the way in which it is behaving towards civilians in Gaza and the West Bank.
 
While I wouldn’t agree with Trump being in charge of anything, at least the US has the capability to take decisive action, however misguided that action might ultimately be.

Meanwhile in the EU, Simon Harris is on his way to Brussels to contribute to the preparation of a carefully worded statement.
 
Salvadore said:
While I wouldn’t agree with Trump being in charge of anything, at least the US has the capability to take decisive action, however misguided that action might ultimately be.

Meanwhile in the EU, Simon Harris is on his way to Brussels to contribute to the preparation of a carefully worded statement.
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Yep, until the EU has the ability to have a dog in the fight nobody will take anything they say seriously. We in Ireland can't even defend ourselves, let alone contribute to the defence of the EU so we should really just sit at the children's table and let the grown-ups talk.
 
Once again @Purple, you’re underselling Ireland. Have no doubt, we have a say, just because we’re not a belligerent nation does that mean our role is in any way insufficient or useless.
 
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