Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to exploit?

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After reviewing many posts on the subject I have a feeling that the TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employees) process which was set up to protect employees is being cynically manipulated and distorted in order to exploit employees. This is especially so in the IT industry.

Employees in the IT sector regularly post along the lines "Ive been Tuped" and its invariably a negative experience.

What do AAMers think?
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

Can you post a few links?
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

I don't know what the specifics of the cases within IT are but I work within another Industry where its quite common for contracts to be gained or lost for service over time and have found that it seems extraordinarily easy for Employers to get away with failing to comply. In fact recently two major institutions within this State one of which is a Semi State body have turned a blind eye and failed to ensure that the new Contractors have complied with the legislation and many people have lost their jobs. It wasn't such a problem in the first case as there was near enough full Employment at the time but regardless they lost their jobs, but the most recent case for which the shafted Employees are awaiting a hearing with the LC Rights Commission has left many unemployed for the first time in their lives through no failure on their part and struggling to pay their Mortgages.
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

I work for a global IT outsourcer and there are many ways to get around the TUPE legislation.

Firstly TUPE only applies in the EU and even then many countries will "ignore" it, even if they accept it the law was designed to protect cleaners etc and not IT staff. The only countries we worry about TUPE or ARD (Applied rights directive) are the UK, Ireland, Belgium, Austria & Denmark. In any other country then we plan to replace the staff with new staff unless expressly requested by the client.

Next point is that in IT outsourcing most cheap call centre/remote opperations labour is outside the EU. So say your Service Desk, Software development team and Service management departments are moved to India then TUPE does not apply as it is moving outside the EU.

Last point is as an outsourcer we follow the direction of the client. There a few reasons why businesses will out source:

1. Focus on primary business - Let the professionals run their IT enviroment so the business can focus on their core business. In this case often the client will want to protect their employees and we respect that.

2. Lower costs - In this case the client will ask us to reduce the cost of their IT spend. Satff in the EU are generally expensive and Ireland especially so we move elements of the business to a low cost location.

To give you an idea of the savings that are possible:
Ireland - Fully loaded costs of a Lv 1 Helpdesk Agent = €20k salary plus approx €25k overhead
India - Fully loaded costs of a Lv 1 Helpdesk Agent = €3k plus approx €15k overhead

The TUPE experience is solely down to the company who investigate outsourcing.
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

I was TUPED a number of years ago and have found the experience fine. The company was about to go under until the new one came in. Granted they are focused on costs a lot more but maybe thats why we are still going.

(BTW no union involved which was probably an extra help)

Just my experience. Happy to PM company details to frequent posters if someone wants.
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

Suppose everyones circumstances are different as i'm finding out it is a very complicated process. Have had little advice from union. i'm in the process of being TUPED to IT provider at present. I'm the only one being transfered - 100 or so where transferred a few years back. Existing company wish to reduce headcount so its a way of moving me out. This is the only option i have - move or resign.

Bit of anxiety around where i will be located/job function/can't carry over existing pension etc. The existing job function does not really exist anymore (gone abroad) only certain tasks so therefore i'll be more than likely asked to move to different location around dublin which will be harder to commute from where i presently live. Essentially a new job. In the back of my mind the IT provider don't require my services anymore.

Suppose i have to look at bigger picture - current economic climate - grateful to have a job as friends/family have lost jobs recently. Would just have liked to be given more options around redundancy or transfer.
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

Socky,


Did they offer you redundancy, what Union are you in ??


http://www.flac.ie

Ring and ask if they have employment rights solicitor, and where is he based
 
Re: Is TUPE (PE= protect employees) being cynically manipulated and disorted to explo

hi. no redundancy on offer. just move or resign. member of Siptu but they have been little help - just said sort out your T&C's before transfer. have tried flac solicitor before but had little knowledge in area of TUPE - as its such a vast arena. will try to consult with specialist employment solicitor.
 
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