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Do you mean the statements are tasteless or without any truth?
Is it now ‘cool’ to visit prostitutes?
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I agree with OP, I know of lots of lads who would tell you out straight of their escapades in with the "chinese massage therapist",you wouldn't believe the places where it goes on, in apartments in town, houses in normal suburbia, and I know this for a fact, in a part of a well known pub complex. They shame of telling all and sundry about it is not there anymore.
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Saw a programme on the TV about prostitution / escort agencies in Australia. I think its legal there, or at least in some states there. I got the impression its more normal, safer for everyone, more upfront , and tolerated.
Reminds me of many years ago sitting on a long train journey from Sydney to Melbourne once and the person beside me ( who I did not know ) getting chatting and after 5 or 10 minutes asking the respectable looking stranger ( an attractive woman ) opposite what they did for a living. Turns out she was a "working girl". Conversation went something like " Do you like it ?" " Yea, its a nice house " etc etc.
Bit of a culture shock from Ireland of the 80's..
Reminds me of many years ago sitting on a long train journey from Sydney to Melbourne once and the person beside me ( who I did not know ) getting chatting and after 5 or 10 minutes asking the respectable looking stranger ( an attractive woman ) opposite what they did for a living. Turns out she was a "working girl". Conversation went something like " Do you like it ?" " Yea, its a nice house " etc etc.
Bit of a culture shock from Ireland of the 80's..
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Look, sex is a commodity like everything else. It may take some time but Ireland will have it's redlight district, maybe not now but down the line - for sure....
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Will have ? I thought in years gone by Dublin, for example, did have areas which could be described thus ?
Thing is, if you put it close to a resedential area you could affect unfairly the people living there. Its a difficult one, but I believe a regulated industry where there is no exploitation, regular health checks etc is in everyones interest. After all, they say it is the worlds oldest profession, and it will not go away. If they are consenting adults they can do what they want as long as they do not affect anyone else, as far as I am concerned. Its probably a safety valve for some people in society anyway. Just my humble opinion.
Hilarious debate this. Based on the original point then...the point seems to be that visting prostitutes (one of the oldest professions in the world) is only for social misfits...unless it's for something really kinky!! Does that make it socially acceptable then?
For the record I am not anti-prostitution but I have never felt the need to visit one. The industry should be regulated and arguing that areas where regulation has failed is proof that it shouldn't be tried is missing the point entirely. Some democracies are a sham in some countries. Does this prove that democracy doesn't work? For the record prostitution is legal in Victoria and at least from the outside appears to be a decent working model of regulation.
Whilst I appreciate that women in particular can often be appalled by the sex industry and talk about stopping it altogether...this is not a likely outcome. To sneer at prostitution or sex as a commodity is to misunderstand human nature and society in general...in my humble opinion.
[FONT="]Interesting comments received on my original post. I wasn’t debating the rights or wrongs of prostitution (of which I've no problem), but just that I found it rather sad that I saw Irish teens / early 20s paying for sex in Amsterdam – and believe me they were paying rather than just looking. I would have thought that in this day and age it’s not that difficult for a teen to get laid, so why pay for it? Maybe the kids I saw were not typical but Marie M’s post of 30 11: “[/FONT][FONT="]I know of lots of lads who would tell you out straight of their escapades in with the "chinese massage therapist",you wouldn't believe the places where it goes o[/FONT][FONT="]n”. would indicate that perhaps kids do visit prostitutes more than I would expect.. Jacques Brel wrote a song ‘Amsterdam’ in which a young sailor ‘poured out his youth in the belly of whores’. I would have thought that in these days Irish kids could do better than that.[/FONT]
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Absolutely agree...more to be pitied than laughed at.
Although I agree that sex is more readily available these days, it's not available for everyone. For example, some older men, perhaps single, perhaps widowed may visit a prostitute. These are not looking for love, just sex with no strings attached. To imagine that all young men in Ireland can avail of 'free' sex means that there are young women out there ready and willing to sleep with anything with a pulse....dream on!!
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As a frequenter of prostitutes in the past. i think our whole attitude to prostitution was/is ridiculosis.
We lived in a society in ireland that was very repressive...sex outside marriage was frowned on and believe me ,there were not that many "free thinking" girls around....even condoms were illegal!
Then with a large number of frustrated men from their teens up.....the authorities decided that prostitution was evil and it only existed in shady back streets of our major cities.
I BELIEVE the model to be followed is like that in germany or austria....basically the prostitutes have their own rooms in a big building...are medically tested and practise safe sex and charge reasonable rates,in a very nice atmosphere. Everything is state regulated and above board.
Of course no girl would be working against their will.
The most frequent clients of prostitutes are young men due to human nature.....not old men who can`t get a girlfriend as mentioned by another poster.
I think we should have such a building in every town...pop greater than 10,000 .....the price should be reasonable...maybe 30 to 60 euro depending on the girl etc
I`m sure people will say such like exists already.with massage parlors and phone numbers of prositutes, and brothels that keep changing address and street girls but surely it`s alot better to have it legal and run like a business.
The problem with this illegal prostitution is that the girls are usually junkies maybe walking the streets......surely our young men deserve better.
We lived in a society in ireland that was very repressive...sex outside marriage was frowned on and believe me ,there were not that many "free thinking" girls around....even condoms were illegal!
Then with a large number of frustrated men from their teens up.....the authorities decided that prostitution was evil and it only existed in shady back streets of our major cities.
I BELIEVE the model to be followed is like that in germany or austria....basically the prostitutes have their own rooms in a big building...are medically tested and practise safe sex and charge reasonable rates,in a very nice atmosphere. Everything is state regulated and above board.
Of course no girl would be working against their will.
The most frequent clients of prostitutes are young men due to human nature.....not old men who can`t get a girlfriend as mentioned by another poster.
I think we should have such a building in every town...pop greater than 10,000 .....the price should be reasonable...maybe 30 to 60 euro depending on the girl etc
I`m sure people will say such like exists already.with massage parlors and phone numbers of prositutes, and brothels that keep changing address and street girls but surely it`s alot better to have it legal and run like a business.
The problem with this illegal prostitution is that the girls are usually junkies maybe walking the streets......surely our young men deserve better.
Some posters are asking "Why do young Irish males pay for sex?"
The answer is often quite simple. A guarantee of sex and zero comittments afterwards. Not even Copperface Jacks can offer that ;-)
Seriously though, I do believe that it should be legalised. In Germany there are strict laws on where a brothel can be located. It is only allowed in towns/cities above a certain population. I forget the figure but think it's between 30,000 and 50,000. Brothels can't be located in residential areas or near schools, so many of them are located either in traditional inner city red-light districts, or in industrial estates (which are typically deserted in the evenings).
Unfortunatly legalisation doesn't prevent trafficing. German authorities have uncovered a number of brothels where women were being held against their will and forced into sex. These women are typically from outside the EU and have no legal right to work in Germany. It's a simple problem of resources. Much more brothels than inspectors able to check them out.
However legalistion does make trafficing more difficult. Punters are less likely to go somewhere where women are forced to provide a service (most people would be able to recognise this) when there are so many alternatives where women freely provide a service in reasonable surroundings. For these women, it's their own choice to go into prostitution - the money is alot better than working at a checkout in Aldi. Legalisation also removes the pimp from the equation and practically eliminates street prostitution.
I mentioned in another post that the bigest single group of prostitues in Ireland are actually from Britain. Many of them are students coming over for a short time to make some quick money to finance their studies. You could hardly say that these women are being compelled by economic necessity. It's a free choice.
As to "whether it's cool?". No, I don't think so. But equally I don't think there's anything "uncool" about it. It's a simple business transaction, just like getting your hair cut or car washed.
The answer is often quite simple. A guarantee of sex and zero comittments afterwards. Not even Copperface Jacks can offer that ;-)
Seriously though, I do believe that it should be legalised. In Germany there are strict laws on where a brothel can be located. It is only allowed in towns/cities above a certain population. I forget the figure but think it's between 30,000 and 50,000. Brothels can't be located in residential areas or near schools, so many of them are located either in traditional inner city red-light districts, or in industrial estates (which are typically deserted in the evenings).
Unfortunatly legalisation doesn't prevent trafficing. German authorities have uncovered a number of brothels where women were being held against their will and forced into sex. These women are typically from outside the EU and have no legal right to work in Germany. It's a simple problem of resources. Much more brothels than inspectors able to check them out.
However legalistion does make trafficing more difficult. Punters are less likely to go somewhere where women are forced to provide a service (most people would be able to recognise this) when there are so many alternatives where women freely provide a service in reasonable surroundings. For these women, it's their own choice to go into prostitution - the money is alot better than working at a checkout in Aldi. Legalisation also removes the pimp from the equation and practically eliminates street prostitution.
I mentioned in another post that the bigest single group of prostitues in Ireland are actually from Britain. Many of them are students coming over for a short time to make some quick money to finance their studies. You could hardly say that these women are being compelled by economic necessity. It's a free choice.
As to "whether it's cool?". No, I don't think so. But equally I don't think there's anything "uncool" about it. It's a simple business transaction, just like getting your hair cut or car washed.
I have sex with my barber on a regular basis.*
* I'm married to her!
If you have an argument with her does she make a mess of your next haircut? Visions of words kit kat cut into hair come to mind.
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I have sex with my barber on a regular basis.*
* I'm married to her!
And you still have sex with her.....?? What am I doing wrong....Mrs d2, come and read this !
A couple of thoughts came to mind when reading through this ver enlightening thread. Just over 2 years ago I was in Cologne and Frankfurt for 4-5 days. 3 of them I spent with my future wife (as our first romantic weekend break totally alone) in the former city. The weekend in question was the Ireland-France game in Paris, and a lot of Irish fans (messed about by Ryanair) were flying into Dusseldorf on the Friday and travelling on via Cologne to Paris. I met the same groups flying in and out, and while standing waiting for the train to Dusseldorf a group of men, well spoken and dressed (on the Tuesday) were all boasting about having visited a brothel in Cologne and the number of women they "pleasured" before they had to "buy the wife something nice". All were wearing gold bands and I couldn't help but feel slightly disgusted by them.
2nd, in yesterday's main National newspaper here there was an article on a young Ukranian prostitute who very recently died from HIV complications. It seems she was working in Istria and the call was put out for her former clients and customers to get in touch and get tested. This comes 2 years after another young Ukranian girl, only known as Yulia, went into the hospital in Mostar with a cold and temperature and was dead inside 48hours and had full blown AIDS and a host of other infections. Again the panic went around Dalmatia as the area is where young men go to become "real" men. The young woman died alone and was buried in a paupers plot in the local cemetery. The story (as will yesterday's) died off in a matter of days, and the general opinion, from women I spoke with: "Oh, those girls from Russia and Ukraine are all the same, they do it for money".
Folks, does anyone, for one moment think, that all those womn working in Holland, Germany, the UK, Ireland are all doing it for the good of their health? That they all have a choice? Are we getting mixed up in our ideas regarding the massive problem of people and sex trafficking we live amongst? In Montenegro this summer 4 Albanian girls (none older than 18) were freed from a glorified farmhouse outside Podgorica that had visitors registered from everywhere, including Laois and Meath!
When Dundalk got it's lapdancing club it became instantly known (and boasted about) how much it cost to spend a night and where to spend it with dancers who were offering more than a little damhsa.
2nd, in yesterday's main National newspaper here there was an article on a young Ukranian prostitute who very recently died from HIV complications. It seems she was working in Istria and the call was put out for her former clients and customers to get in touch and get tested. This comes 2 years after another young Ukranian girl, only known as Yulia, went into the hospital in Mostar with a cold and temperature and was dead inside 48hours and had full blown AIDS and a host of other infections. Again the panic went around Dalmatia as the area is where young men go to become "real" men. The young woman died alone and was buried in a paupers plot in the local cemetery. The story (as will yesterday's) died off in a matter of days, and the general opinion, from women I spoke with: "Oh, those girls from Russia and Ukraine are all the same, they do it for money".
Folks, does anyone, for one moment think, that all those womn working in Holland, Germany, the UK, Ireland are all doing it for the good of their health? That they all have a choice? Are we getting mixed up in our ideas regarding the massive problem of people and sex trafficking we live amongst? In Montenegro this summer 4 Albanian girls (none older than 18) were freed from a glorified farmhouse outside Podgorica that had visitors registered from everywhere, including Laois and Meath!
When Dundalk got it's lapdancing club it became instantly known (and boasted about) how much it cost to spend a night and where to spend it with dancers who were offering more than a little damhsa.
This is precisely the reason why prostitution should be legalised and closely policed. I do not believe it is impossible to get rid of human traffiking if the industry is properly policed. You will never get rid of a sex industry...so the only logical thing to do is make it as safe for the girls who 'choose' that lifestyle...and there are girls who choose it.
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Surely,that`s the whole point about legalising prostitution....you get clean girls medically tested on aregular basis..the girls are all voluntary workers...some may be working without proper work permits if outside e.u. but that `s o.k.
If you agree that fellahs are going to have sex with prostitutes even going to istra etc..wherever that is ... surely it`s better to go to a legal brothel than some street junkie. Guys aren`t stupid....they will go for a legal,safe sex brothel in preference to some street junkie.
The benefits to society are good too....guys feel good that they can have sex anytime they want it.....and girls are not being hassled to have sex .
Its incredible that our attitudes to this prostitution ....were shaped by the clergy who mostly were not sympathetic to the normal hetersexual urges of young men and a lot of "hail mary" women whose attitude seemed to be ....well if i can`t have fun i don`t want the guys to have fun!
We really need to get our act together and legalise it and at the same time clamp down on the street/junkie/unsafe....
Knowing ireland it probably won`t be done until some rich buisnessman "arranges it" and makes ahuge profit from the punters.
If you agree that fellahs are going to have sex with prostitutes even going to istra etc..wherever that is ... surely it`s better to go to a legal brothel than some street junkie. Guys aren`t stupid....they will go for a legal,safe sex brothel in preference to some street junkie.
The benefits to society are good too....guys feel good that they can have sex anytime they want it.....and girls are not being hassled to have sex .
Its incredible that our attitudes to this prostitution ....were shaped by the clergy who mostly were not sympathetic to the normal hetersexual urges of young men and a lot of "hail mary" women whose attitude seemed to be ....well if i can`t have fun i don`t want the guys to have fun!
We really need to get our act together and legalise it and at the same time clamp down on the street/junkie/unsafe....
Knowing ireland it probably won`t be done until some rich buisnessman "arranges it" and makes ahuge profit from the punters.