Brendan Burgess
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From yesterday's Indo. Can't find it online
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These are basic salaries. Many get allowances e.g. Teachers get
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- Supervision and substitution allowance
- Acting up allowance
- Gaeltacht allowance
- Teaching through Irish allowance
Gianni just to be clear, those are allowances for Secondary School Teachers.
(c) Primary Degree (Pass) €1,842
That's correct. Apologies, I thought I put that in the post.
Details are taken from ASTI website.
Typically teachers get two academic allowances;
(1) degree
(2) postgrad
Typically teachers get two academic allowances;
(1) degree
(2) postgrad
Note that allowances have been abolished for new entrants.
(One would assume, at a minimum that all teachers have a primary degree and a HDip in Education.)
Why would a wood working, tech-drawing, home economics or metal work teacher need a degree?I would ask why are these allowances in the first place. Surely a degree is a basic minimum requirement for teaching?
Yep. Asked my niece last year when she graduated when do you expect to start work and was told that unless you have a masters no-one will give you a job outside retail. The problem now is that the amount of rubbish degrees out there where people are choosing something they'd 'like to do' rather than something practical that will get a job at the end of it i.e. computer science, engineering and accounting or medicine. The unis have diluted degrees by having courses on hamster feeding and ancient water history which are just basically money spinners for the lecturers so they can make up their fat salaries. Amazeballs that they still fall for this tripe but there ya go.Degrees seem to be last centuries leaving cert.
Why would a wood working, tech-drawing, home economics or metal work teacher need a degree?
Anyone with a Senior Trades qualification can do a two year H-Dip and become a teacher.
The Allowances are a nonsense though. If a teacher has a Masters in the subject they are teaching then yes, maybe pay them extra but paying extra for having the minimum requirement to teach, a Higher Diploma in teaching, is laughable.
We need to raise New Entrants wages In the public service.
The problem is that while people should get paid more for being better at their job the slip side is that they should be sacked if they are rubbish at their job. As teachers and their unions never allow rubbish teachers to be removed it is unfair that they get rewarded for being potentially better (a masters does not mean they will be better, it just means they should be better). They want it both ways; carrot but no stick. That's not how things work in the real world.What about teachers who on top of their primary degree, pursue degrees/masters in psychology, counselling, business, computing, economics, art, music, etc. in order to better teach their students?
I agree. The academic allowances are for those teachers who may have more than just a primary degree when they start teaching and for teachers who continually educate themselves in order to remain current.I suspect the academic allowances are a legacy from a time when you didn't necessarily need these qualifications to be a teacher.
This thread is on the subject of remuneration, not the performance of a small percentage of teachers who don't meet your "real world" standard.The problem is that while people should get paid more for being better at their job the slip side is that they should be sacked if they are rubbish at their job. As teachers and their unions never allow rubbish teachers to be removed it is unfair that they get rewarded for being potentially better (a masters does not mean they will be better, it just means they should be better). They want it both ways; carrot but no stick. That's not how things work in the real world.
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