Moneymakeover Inheriting 200k, thinking to make leveraged play on housing. Mortgage paid off.

Sr. Tayto

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Your age: 36
Your spouse's age: 36

0 kids and no kids incoming, ever.


Income and expenditure
Annual gross income from employment or profession: 100k
Annual gross income of spouse/partner: 45k (new job, previously 15k or so)



Type of employment - Employee private company


In general are you:
(a) spending more than you earn, or
(b) saving?

C - Maxing out pension and investing 750e monthly into stocks.


Summary of Assets and Liabilities
Family home value: 270k
Mortgage on family home: 0 - recently paid off.

Cash 200k

Company shares : 30k







Pension information

Value of AVC pension fund: 80k - have only come home to Ireland recently, hence low pension.

Defined benefit pension if I stay with company, worth about 30k a year on retirement.



Other savings and investments:

60k in stocks
15k in cash
Second home worth 240k rented out for 1550 a month - mortgage paid off.





What specific question do you have or what issues are of concern to you?

We are obviously in a comfortable position, I would like to find a different role in the next 4 years or so, it's likely that I would make about 40k a year after that. Recently everyone in my small family died in a car accident, leaving me with the second house (to be rented out at 1550) and about 400k in cash, I'll use 200k to pay off my mortgage but I'm thinking to buy a second house/apartment with a mortgage.

My main thinking is that I would never get that sort of leverage for any other investment. I'm obviously very exposed to Irish market, and questions remain over this governments ability to commit to their newly announced plans. Every thread I read from the last few years warned against investing in property because of the incoming SF government so I'll take political predictions with a grain of salt. I'm more interested in the leveraged play.

I understand this move isn't for everyone. I don't enjoy my job and would like to move to something more meaningful and I view this as a way to potentially keep a similar level of income as I transition away from my current industry. Thoughts?
 
Apologies, yeah was all over the place while editing. Basically there's 200k left over when I pay off my mortgage. I'm inheriting 400k cash and a house - which I'll rent out for 1550 a month. It's all very unexpected, due to the nature of the people in the car I never expected to receive even a quarter of this.
 
I'm inheriting 400k cash and a house -
Have you factored in any Capital Acquisitions Tax/Inheritance Tax liabilities (if any)?
which I'll rent out for 1550 a month
Have you analysed the gross and net (after taxes/expenses) figures to understand the likely/realistic gross/net yield?

So you'll own your PPR and a rental property outright and are considering even more property investment? That'll obviously leave you very (I would say too) concentrated in a single asset class and geographic region.
 
Recently everyone in my small family died in a car accident,
So very sorry to hear this; must have been a huge shock.

I would say clear the mortgage on your PPR, see how you get on with the rental property for another 6-12 months & hold on for a while making any major decisions.
 
Have you factored in any Capital Acquisitions Tax/Inheritance Tax liabilities (if any)?
Yeah, this is after CAT.


Have you analysed the gross and net (after taxes/expenses) figures to understand the likely/realistic gross/net yield?
This is almost 8% gross on the house, so not too bad. Net is a bit more complicated obviously, I might stick with it for a bit longer to get a clearer idea.


So you'll own your PPR and a rental property outright and are considering even more property investment? That'll obviously leave you very (I would say too) concentrated in a single asset class and geographic region.
Yeah it's probably too concentrated for most people but how do other landlords do it? It's risky because of the concentration but I'd be only be liable for the debt of only one house.


I would say clear the mortgage on your PPR, see how you get on with the rental property for another 6-12 months & hold on for a while making any major decisions
Smart call, thank you for the advice and kind words.
 
Family home value: 270k
Cash 200k

Company shares : 30k
Second home worth 240k rented out for 1550 a month - mortgage paid off.

I don't enjoy my job and would like to move to something more meaningful and I view this as a way to potentially keep a similar level of income as I transition away from my current industry.

So this really is the big issue to be resolved.

You are 36 and want to change job change industry and change career.

So you must retain maximum flexibility. If you have the money tied up in a third house and you need some of the money, tough. If the tenant chooses not to pay for 6 months, tough.

You should invest your cash in a portfolio of shares. Then if you decide to take two years off to go back to college, you can access that money.

And as it happens, it would also be the right advice for someone who already has 70% of their assets in Irish property.
 
I would go further and say that you should sell your investment property. But if you have good tenants and you are prepared to live with the political risk of being a landlord, that is fine.
 
So you must retain maximum flexibility. If you have the money tied up in a third house and you need some of the money, tough. If the tenant chooses not to pay for 6 months, tough.

You should invest your cash in a portfolio of shares. Then if you decide to take two years off to go back to college, you can access that money.
I suppose that is part of my thinking with having it leveraged, as I will not tie up the majority of my cash.

With a 70% mortgage of 250k (hypothetical) I would hold 125k in cash - well I would invest it but you get me.

It's not without risk of course. I guess another option is to sell the other house and invest the 430k in shares and withdraw 4% or so, or 17k before tax. Less risk, a lot less upside.
 
Very sorry for your tragic loss.

Re leverage, tbh if you really want to leverage up just keep your current PPR mortgage and invest the 400k - same advantage as 50% leverage, no doubt cheaper interest rate, and less concentration of risk.

Mind me asking what interest rate is on your current mortgage?
 
Interest on the PPR mortgage would not be tax deductible.

So, unless the PPR mortgage rate is roughly half the BTL rate your plan doesn’t make sense.
 
How exactly less risk and upside?
Because I don't get access to the a larger asset than just my cash. So, with just cash I have 200k compounding, with leverage I have much more.
Re leverage, tbh if you really want to leverage up just keep your current PPR mortgage and invest the 400k - same advantage as 50% leverage, no doubt cheaper interest rate, and less concentration of risk.

Mind me asking what interest rate is on your current mortgage?
Yeah this option is also floating around my brain, and not a bad idea either. Mortgage is a shocking 4.6% but up in March for renewal/pay off. Around 200k left, 27 years.
your thinking is all over the place. you are borrowing €175k while keeping €125k in cash? Paying probably 6% while getting <1%.
From my research I think I wouldn't have to get a BTL mortgage? But I might be mistaken there, I will talk to a broker about this. As mentioned, I would invest the 125k also.
 
So, unless the PPR mortgage rate is roughly half the BTL rate your plan doesn’t make sense.
PPR mortgage rates can be gotten for near half investor rates, 3% vs 5.8-6% from a quick glance at Bank of Ireland’s website.

But tbh, that’s not even the main factor. Why would one take on that level of concentration risk just to squeeze a few tenths of a percentage point in tax-deductible interest?
 
Yeah this option is also floating around my brain, and not a bad idea either. Mortgage is a shocking 4.6% but up in March for renewal/pay off. Around 200k left, 27 years.
You won’t need the safety of a fixed rate with 400k+ in liquid assets so I’d suggest the Avant flex rate product will give you the best long-term value.
 
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