Implications of new law on age 65 retirement

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Annieindublin

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A related question.
Currently my contract says I retire at 65. Typically staff have been made adhere to this.
If the new law passes and I can delay retirement until 66, when the state pension kicks in by saying formally that I want to stay on for another year.
If I don’t do this can I still sign on for the year? Or will I have made myself unemployed voluntarily?

I’m not sure whether I want to stay on, and I am fairly sure the company won’t want me to. It’s a few years away thankfully but the culture is focussed on gen z staff etc and they’d like to offload us oldies. But I can’t afford to live on my company pension without the state pension. Our company pension is based on the assumption that you get a certain amount from the state as well.

Thoughts?
 
You still have the option to retire at 65 and claim a social protection payment.

If you are currently paying Prsi class A, you would qualify for Benefit Payment 65.
This is a weekly payment of 232 euro per week for the 12 months from your 65th birthday until your 66th birthday.

You don't need to be available for, and actively seeking work to claim BP 65
You also don't need to sign on and your payments are made directly to your bank account.

I would suggest that when making your claim, state that you have ceased work for health reasons rather than retirement.
 
S class,
Perhaps a stupid question but would a person claiming this year of Benefit Payment accumulate PRSI contributions?
Just trying to understand how this would effect TCA if one was not at 2080 contributions at age 65.
 
S class said:
I would suggest that when making your claim, state that you have ceased work for health reasons rather than retirement.
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Can I ask why you would suggest this ?

I can't see any mention of health issues in the qualifying criteria for this payment.

Benefit Payment for 65 Year Olds

Benefit Payment for 65 Year Olds is for those aged 65 who have stopped work or self-employment who satisfy the PRSI conditions. It may be paid from your 65th birthday until your 66th birthday.
www.gov.ie www.gov.ie
 
Des Pondent said:
Can I ask why you would suggest this ?
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You should be entitled no matter why you ceased employment at age 65.

"The onus is on the customer to prove entitlement to BP65 and to produce any evidence reasonably required."

Some deciding officers might question your entitlement and delay your claim if you state that you just decided to walk away from your employment

Just a bit of extra insurance.

I automatically qualified because I was a Jobseeker at age 65. I haven't seen the application questions, so I don't know if you are asked to state a reason for ceasing your employment.

Mabye you are not asked.
 
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Savvy said:
S class,
Perhaps a stupid question but would a person claiming this year of Benefit Payment accumulate PRSI contributions?
Just trying to understand how this would effect TCA if one was not at 2080 contributions at age 65.
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Provided you qualified for BP 65 based on class A Prsi you will get credits for the year.
The credits gain you an extra 52 reckonable contributions.
 
Is it likely that the BP65 payment will be removed given that 65 can no longer be a compulsory retirement age?
Wasn't it introduced to cater for people who were forced to retire at 65 by their employer? That's no longer an issue, so BP65 has been rendered 'redundant' (excuse the pun)

I'd guess politicians wouldn't go near that!
 
redstar said:
Is it likely that the BP65 payment will be removed given that 65 can no longer be a compulsory retirement age?
Wasn't it introduced to cater for people who were forced to retire at 65 by their employer? That's no longer an issue, so BP65 has been rendered 'redundant' (excuse the pun)

I'd guess politicians wouldn't go near that!
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I think its very existence is an Irish solution to an Irish problem. On the one hand, many people are calling for action about the pensions timebomb caused by the ratio of workers to pensioners leaning over to the pensioner side more and more each year. So the Government can say "Look at us - we increased the qualifying age for the State Pension to 66." But then, fearful of the grey vote, they introduced this BP65 - which is not an early payment of the State Pension - Lord no! It's part of Jobseekers - not a pension at all at all.

It reminds me of the time that Michael Noonan promised to remove the Government levy on pension funds. He kept his promise, and on the same day he replaced it with another - different - levy on pension funds. But he was quick to point out that he had kept his promise to remove the original levy. :rolleyes:
 
No, it's certainly not a pension and a lot of people who have paid Prsi all their lives are barred from receiving it because of a lot of convoluted rules, which the majority of them can't figure out.

It's a clever Irish solution for sure !
 
From 31st March 25 the new "Jobseeker's Pay-Related Benefit" commences and replaces JSB. It is not clear if the payment for 65 yo you refer to will continue ( That will become clear on or after the 31st March.) as there is no mention of the payment within the explanation on how to apply for Jobseeker's Pay-Related Benefit on Citizens Information. You will still receive credited PRSI contributions between age 65- 66 if that payment continues or you claim Jobseeker's Pay-Related Benefit. Certainly would not advise illness as the reason you have stopped working at 65 as you will most likely be told to make a claim for Illness Benefit.
 
It’s a year nearer now and I saw a recent org chart which removed a few people who are in their 60s… love me some leaky organisations… real old school… left on a photocopier. To be fair it’s a long term restructuring so we will have the option to leave anyway. (Which anyone can do at any point of corse)

So I’m thinking 3 of us might be out, while I could battle it I’m not inclined to at the moment, still 3 years away so I might change my mind. My husband will be still working.

My concern is whether any benefits I might get would be means tested. Hopefully not. I’m happy to job seek if that ticks a box for them. I’d even consider some retraining or a springboard course. Actually I’d quite like that.
 
Annieindublin said:
My concern is whether any benefits I might get would be means tested.
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What sort of benefits do you mean? If you mean social welfare benefits then they are based on PRSI qualification criteria. Unlike SW allowances and other payments which may be means tested.
 
Christmas & Kew said:
From 31st March 25 the new "Jobseeker's Pay-Related Benefit" commences and replaces JSB.
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The existing Jobseekers Benefit scheme will continue to run alongside the new Pay Related Jobseekers scheme.
If you don't meet the qualification requirements for PRJB you will get JB if you meet the existing qualification requirements.

Presumably a person making a claim at age 65 who qualifies for PRJB will get the increased payments for the first 9 months. They will presumably then be charged to JB for the remaining 3 months up to age 66.

"The existing Jobseeker’s Benefit scheme is being retained for people who may not be eligible for the new scheme because they are working on a part-time, casual, short-time or seasonal basis."

Minister Humphreys signs commencement order for Pay-Related Benefit to start on 31st March 2025

www.gov.ie www.gov.ie
 
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I'm on a private pension since 60 years old ( looking after my mum but didn't claim carers payment) and have signed on every year .I have all the paid contributions entitling me to contributory state pension at 66 because I worked from age 16 and never stopped working.
Because I paid prsi at class S over the years on my private pension would I be entitled to claim the state payment for 65 year olds because you need the weeks of paid contributions ?
 
deirdremaryegan said:
Because I paid prsi at class S over the years on my private pension would I be entitled to claim the state payment for 65 year olds
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I don't think so - I think that you need a certain number of paid contributions as you say.
This thread may help:

Can a person with rental or investment income over 7500 euro per year qualify for 65s benefit ?

No. However they could qualify for Jobseekers benefit at age 65. Basically the subsidiary employment rules for Jobseekers benefit are different to those for 65s benefit. Employment 1. PAYE employment Employment 2. Rental or investment income over 7000 euro per year. To qualify...
www.askaboutmoney.com
 
So I’m thinking 3 of us might be out, while I could battle it I’m not inclined to at the moment, still 3 years away so I might change my mind. My husband will be still working.
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Are you private sector? If so why not go in and say you would be open to a package to leave? Redundancy plus Job seekers could carry you for maybe 2 years and maintain PRSI contributions. Although redundancy has some relationship with private pension tax relief that I never could understand.
 
Is there any plans for the legislation to ban people being forced to retire at 66 being brought into law? My contract of employment also says 65 but my pension assumes I will be getting the contributory old age pension, which of course won’t kick in until 66.

It would surely save the state money if they removed this anomaly in people’s contract of employment.
 
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