If You Were The Government......

There are many ways – you give them incentive to reduce costs. The depts themselves should be capable of doing so. If they can’t outside help does it for them. Just because some service is noble and needed, does not mean that it is being run efficiently. People need to realise this.
It's not a question of nobility or otherwise. It's a serious question about how you measure effeciency in areas such as the examples I gave above. It's easy to reduce costs - the difficult bit is reducing cost without reducing quality and effectiveness.

Ones in targeted areas where we can grow an indigenous industry down the line should be free. Others less so. Solicitors and other professions for example, while needed, do bugger all for the economy. They are well paid, so let them borrow for their own education, if that is the path they choose. Cut back on maybe arts and other degrees where the immediate value is not clear. It’s a carrot and stick approach to having a more productive and educated workforce in areas that we need people. Engineering, math and science are the future. This is where we need graduates.
It would be great to have free college for all in anything they want to do forever, but it is not a wise use of money, especially at the moment.
If people want to get a degree that makes then basically unemployable, they should pay for it with their own money, not the states.
I'm a bit stunned at these comments. Just about every significant business transaction requires legal input, so your suggestion that solicitors do 'bugger all for the economy' are somewhat flawed.
Yes in fact. Take new York where a zero tolerance policy to crime was enacted in the 70’s, when it was a dump. Zero tolerance cleaned it up. I have lived in many countries and Ireland has a petty crime issue much greater than most. The three strikes rule takes repeat offenders and gets them off the streets. If people are not willing to play by the rules, society should not have to put up with it.
I'm pretty sure New York never had a '3 strikes' policy. And the zero tolerance policy was enacted by Guliani in the 90s, not in the 70s. Any the crime reductions experience by California (which did bring in a '3 strikes' policy) were pretty much matched across the states by those that didn't have a '3 strikes' policy'. We really need a bit more of evidence-based research if we are going to improve things.
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem and all that….
If you rush to implement half-cocked ideas, you will certainly make things considerably worse - just look at the decentralisation mess.
Set up a Report Waste hotline for government departments. There are lots of anecodatal stories of certain workers in the public sector or contracted to the public sector doing nothing. Provide a phone line where people can report waste and this can be investigated. I am sure that there are lots of hard working civil servants who would like to get rid of those people in the next office who do nothing and give them a bad name.
While the goal is admirable, I don't think a hotline is the solution. Firstly, it would need a team to staff the hotline and follow up - do you really want MORE public servants now. Secondly, a hotline takes responsibility away from line managers. Perhaps some new process across the board to allow waste to be reported, highlighted and addressed and followed up through normal line management processed.

When my organisation was first asked about cost savings earlier this year, I sent a memo to the director with 8 or 10 ideas for saving money. Some of these ideas were partially in train, but most have been ignored.
Make social welfare fraud the resonsibility of CAB who can not be as easily intimidated as social welfare inspectors. As those seeking benefit rises at at alarming rate, it is critical to ensure that those getting it are doing so within the rules.
I haven't heard that the DSFA have had any huge difficulties with intimidation in recent years. Is this a sledgehammer to crack a nut?
Charlie was a think outside the box in finance. that is what is needed now.look for example at the reduction of cgt rate dramatically increasing the tax take.
Charlie's 'outside the box' thinking has cost the state a huge amount of money through his rushed, mis-targeted decentralisation plan. The principle of decentralisation is great. Charlie's plan ignored the issue of the specialisation of state agencies, and the lack of transferability across agencies, and National Spatial Strategy.

Let him pay back the State the €200m or so that he's cost us, and then I'll consider having him back.
 
With respect this is codswallop. Have you heard of the IFSC? How do you propose that businesses can start up and grow without access to legal, financial and other professional expertise?

It was an example - which I would happily debate somewhere else.
Lets not get away from the princpal of the idea.
Free education for useful degrees, pay for others.


This thread should be about positve things that our government should do, and not an exersize in shooting down any idea that does not fit your ideal. I'm not going to get into an arguement about the various benefits of each profession, or what they have brought/cost us over the last 10 years.

With the amount of complaining in this thread, I am glad I left ireland 10 years ago.

The can't don't attitude gets a bit wearing I must say....

Would it kill a few of ye to make a few positive suggestions as to the direction our government should take, instead of doing the usual?
 
While the goal is admirable, I don't think a hotline is the solution. Firstly, it would need a team to staff the hotline and follow up - do you really want MORE public servants now. Secondly, a hotline takes responsibility away from line managers.

I think that the staff for such a hotline could easily be found within current department staffing. This does not take away from line managers, it enhances the audit capabilities of those checking up on the line managers. There are many sources that reports could come from. Ray D'Arcy recently told Mary Harney in an interview that he was speaking to a bus driver in a hospital who was paid for the day to drive a coach that was bringing one person to the hospital. There should be a way in which this could be reported to trigger the line managers to review areas that require change.

I haven't heard that the DSFA have had any huge difficulties with intimidation in recent years. Is this a sledgehammer to crack a nut?
Do you think that they are effective is minimising/ eradicating fraud? Given your reference to the 'nut', are you aware of the fraud being very isolated?
 
With the amount of complaining in this thread, I am glad I left ireland 10 years ago.

The can't don't attitude gets a bit wearing I must say....

Would it kill a few of ye to make a few positive suggestions as to the direction our government should take, instead of doing the usual?

Best of luck mate; you are facing down the public sector union "can't do" attitude. Since they have an effective veto over any and all government decisions that relate to the public sector, how it is run, what it costs and (most importantly) how it spends our money you can be sure that there will be no light at the end of the tunnel 'till the cancer that is the public sector unions is removed from the equation.

BTW, I agree with almost everything you said.
 
Best of luck mate; you are facing down the public sector union "can't do" attitude. Since they have an effective veto over any and all government decisions that relate to the public sector, how it is run, what it costs and (most importantly) how it spends our money you can be sure that there will be no light at the end of the tunnel 'till the cancer that is the public sector unions is removed from the equation.

BTW, I agree with almost everything you said.

I agree with the union issue - the people who run them don't realise that in an effort not to back down, they risk loosing all jobs for all their members, rather than coming on board and trying to find some common ground to save many.

Well we need to do something. The economic state we are in is dire, and will get worse.
It will take some seriously innovative ideas and some pain, to get us to a stabilized position.

We have many positive aspects to our country - we have some negative aspects too. I do hope that reason finds some solid ground, and that people realise that we do need to make some drastic changes in order to put the country on the correct footing.

Even if the forum member here were able to agree on a top 10 list of ideas that we could pass on to those with power, we could maybe do some good.
If trying to get a bunch or forum members to agree on such a list is hard, can you imagine what a politican faces, with unions, angry public, special interests etc....

I don't envy their task, but the people need to help them.
 
I agree with the union issue - the people who run them don't realise that in an effort not to back down, they risk loosing all jobs for all their members, rather than coming on board and trying to find some common ground to save many.

Well we need to do something. The economic state we are in is dire, and will get worse.
It will take some seriously innovative ideas and some pain, to get us to a stabilized position.

We have many positive aspects to our country - we have some negative aspects too. I do hope that reason finds some solid ground, and that people realise that we do need to make some drastic changes in order to put the country on the correct footing.

Even if the forum member here were able to agree on a top 10 list of ideas that we could pass on to those with power, we could maybe do some good.
If trying to get a bunch or forum members to agree on such a list is hard, can you imagine what a politican faces, with unions, angry public, special interests etc....

I don't envy their task, but the people need to help them.
I agree that the task is not easy and that the public have to stop looking at its own interests first and look at what is in the national interest. The call by a number of posters for a higher levy on those earning over 100K is a classic example; taxing those who generate the wealth is just begrudgery and will contribute very little to the tax take while hitting those who work hardest (or smartest).
 
The call by a number of posters for a higher levy on those earning over 100K is a classic example; taxing those who generate the wealth is just begrudgery and will contribute very little to the tax take while hitting those who work hardest (or smartest).

So what is your alternative? Tax those who earn the least more as by your logic they work the least or are stupid?
Those who earn the most do so, usually, because they deserve it. They are expected to contribute more to society because they can afford to pay high taxes and still have an exquisite quality of life. I have met very few wealthy people who have any issue paying a slightly higher tax rate.

How do you know that it would contribute very little, can you point me to that information please?
 
So what is your alternative? Tax those who earn the least more as by your logic they work the least or are stupid?
Those who earn the most do so, usually, because they deserve it. They are expected to contribute more to society because they can afford to pay high taxes and still have an exquisite quality of life. I have met very few wealthy people who have any issue paying a slightly higher tax rate.

How do you know that it would contribute very little, can you point me to that information please?

I see no logic in these moving the deckchairs on the Titanic type moves. I don't know how many people earn over €100'000 in Ireland but I suggest that it's not many and this tax will bring in between 50 and 100 million at most. What's that against a 10 to 15 billion shortfall?
BYW, the indirect taxes that we have brought in over the last few years are the most inequitable of all (bin charges etc) as they hit the poorest hardest.
What should have happened is a reduction in current public spending and an increase in capital spending, coupled with tax breaks to re-inflate the economy.
 
I say BRING BACK BERTIE .!
Mr Dunlop is soon going to end up where he belongs .
He has cost this country millions , and the only winners of the Mahon Tribunal will eb the barristers and legal counsel
 
Bring back Charlie McCreevy. He is simply to clever and talented to be sitting in Brussels. The Government really needs to establish a Task Force to deal with the issues on hand and not trial and error. I note today they are now about to go through Public Expenditure. The waste of money in some Government departments is horrendous. And the overseas Aid Bill of €900 millions needs to be reduced until Ireland inc can afford to make such future payments.
 
Bring back Charlie McCreevy. He is simply to clever and talented to be sitting in Brussels.
Bring it on, baby. Another decentralisation campaign to waste hundreds of millions on politically-inspired vanity projects is just what we need to get the economy going. And lots more tax loopholes for the horsey set and the medical set - that will surely make people feel that everyone is paying their fair share.

PS I'm being sarcastic, in case you didn't pick that up.
 
Yes but some reality has to come into play at some time. Small and medium businesses are finding it so tough at present that there must be thousands of companies literally clinging for survival. And sure there is a world wide credit crunch and all that but in the majority of cases most countries are not finding it as tough. Never mind McCreevy and his horsey set - they all did it. O'Cuiv spending €40 million on a new pier on the Aran Islands when the old pier was fine.
 
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