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redwing
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I’m curious about pension fund charges in Ireland, partly in anticipation of the results of the government review into them. If that review is as revealing as I think it could be, the 0.6% government levy for 4 years might be a very small price to pay for shining a light into this area.
For a long time I assumed that the annual management charge (AMC), is the charge. From looking at articles on UK pension funds, who I’m assuming the Irish ones are modeled on, this is unlikely to be the case.
The AMC is the advertised charge; on top of that there are custodial charges, stamp duties, trading costs and more charges. In Ireland I don’t believe these figures are revealed by providers, in the UK there’s been a push to reveal a bit more of them so now they quote an AMC and Total Expense Ratio -TER (not sure if the TER accounts for trading costs).
There might be total charges of between 3-4% on a heavily traded equity fund, where the advertised charge would be as low as 0.75%-1%.
Perhaps I’m being harsh and this is the normal cut and trust of business simply hiding profit levels from competitors, but to me these hidden charges seem misleading as people are incorrectly choosing funds that look cheap but might not be. You’ll see an Irish provider have one of their own brand funds for 0.75 and resell another company’s for maybe 2%. Which is cheaper, overall? There’s no way of knowing.
For a long time I assumed that the annual management charge (AMC), is the charge. From looking at articles on UK pension funds, who I’m assuming the Irish ones are modeled on, this is unlikely to be the case.
The AMC is the advertised charge; on top of that there are custodial charges, stamp duties, trading costs and more charges. In Ireland I don’t believe these figures are revealed by providers, in the UK there’s been a push to reveal a bit more of them so now they quote an AMC and Total Expense Ratio -TER (not sure if the TER accounts for trading costs).
There might be total charges of between 3-4% on a heavily traded equity fund, where the advertised charge would be as low as 0.75%-1%.
Perhaps I’m being harsh and this is the normal cut and trust of business simply hiding profit levels from competitors, but to me these hidden charges seem misleading as people are incorrectly choosing funds that look cheap but might not be. You’ll see an Irish provider have one of their own brand funds for 0.75 and resell another company’s for maybe 2%. Which is cheaper, overall? There’s no way of knowing.