Griffner Coillte Homes - anyone any experience with them?

I am surprised at all the negative comment about Griffner Coillte. I suppose people tend to write about negative experiences rather than positive ones! We built a Griffner Coillte house a few years ago and are completely satisified with the finish. We used our own house design and used Griffner for the build. We did not avail of the turnkey package due to the extra cost involved and instead project managed the various jobs ourselves. While there was some hassle at various stages along the way - delays, pricing etc - the end result is so impressive and well worth any inconveniences along the way. Our snag list was dealt with in full. We held back a portion of final payment until we had lived in the house for six months. I would highly recommend griffner if you want a unique high quality home.

hi
not necessarily sold on german/austrian/scand kit houses but somewhat wary re local builders knowledge /expertise in building true energy efficient houses.
basically we have got a site[complete with bog standard ber g bungalow cavity wall and concrete roof
if we could get someone with passive completed projects ,to either renovate and buid a second floor[externally insulating current walls and somewhow insulating retrograde floor with radon barrier we would hope to build a high energy rated approx 197 m2 house.

does anyone have any experience with this?
site in west cork by sea

regards
d
 
There is a retro-fit of a 1970's dormer bungalow renovated up to Passiv-haus standard just finished in Rathdrum Wicklow, the owner found it would have been cheaper to build from scratch but as they weren't local needs they had no choice but to upgrade and extend. The house can be heated by half a toaster on the coldest day of the year and is also powered by windturbine and PV.
 
interesting that it might have been cheaper to clear site and start from scratch-any input into build yourself?[buildright]if so ,would be glad of any other info, particularly with regard to pricing, and any photos most welcome.

regards
d
 
We've done a not-dissimilar upgrade to a house in Cratloe, Co Clare, under the auspices of Limerick architect.

'70s bungalow, fabulous site, mature lawns, fruit trees etc, and iirc planning restrictions (on a hill, over the Shannon), meant re-model was the only way to achieve the result, as new build could have been restrictive. We only came on board post-planning, so architect would need to be consulted on specifics.

Yes, a new build, per sq ft, would be cheaper !
 
I always find that the kit houses look wrong in the irish landscape, not as wrong as the ugly mock Georgian McMansions but similarly incongruous. Passive houses with high spec Architect designed finishes are being delivered turnkey for €2,100 per meter square turnkey including fittings and VAT in the Greater Dublin Area. Lower end finishes and simple compact forms can be delivered for €1,650 per meter square incl VAT. With near passive wide cavity masonery solutions being delivered down the country using local trades to finish for €1350 turnkey including Vat. (well most of the Vat anyway).

Simple forms suit the irish landscape and because of our climate we have a unique relationship between our inside and outside spaces, because of our grey rainy skies, we need large rooms which allow you to draw daylight into the building and allow you to feel engaged with the outside while enjoying indoor comfort. Architects are cheap as chips at the moment and will design what you want, not what they want, or more importantly what you thought you wanted before you knew better.

Irish timber frame companies are providing high quality I-Beam or twin wall stud solutions, with render board or timber rainscreens. EPS formwork raft foundations now offer cheap out of the ground solutions which offer a cold bridge free ground connection. The Irish kit solution offers a cheaper and better quality build. Provided of course you have a competent person to supervise the build.

Buildright, I am confused.

You appear to be promoting

  • kit house prices, but not foreign designs
  • architect designed Irish passive houses, but not architects per se and
  • Irish timber frame products but with competent supervision [presumably not the architect].
Am I understanding you correctly?
Are you providing a service in relation to passive housing?
I've checked this thread but I cannot find out if you have a connection to the industry.

TIA

ONQ.
 
Buildright, I am confused.

You appear to be promoting

  • kit house prices, but not foreign designs
  • architect designed Irish passive houses, but not architects per se and
  • Irish timber frame products but with competent supervision [presumably not the architect].
Am I understanding you correctly?
Are you providing a service in relation to passive housing?
I've checked this thread but I cannot find out if you have a connection to the industry.

TIA

ONQ.


Hi ONQ,
I work in what used to be Architecture and specialise in building technology, I have been involved as an independent consultant on number of passive buildings. So I guess I do provide a service in relation to Passive houses. My experience has been mixed, but generally positive. There is a lot of myths about the passive concept, I'd just like to give the benifit of my experiences good and bad to help people make informed decisions. I'd hope to divulge this info in an unbiased way.

To answer your questions
I'm promoting passive housing no matter where it comes from, because I believe it provides a significantly better quality product than the conventional building industry can supply.

You don't need a qualified Architect to design a Passive house, but I believe all house designs require the input of a qualified architect to ensure it relates to its context sits comfortably in the landscape or streetscape. A lot of architects however see Energy as an inconvenience.

Timberframe is a preference, every building needs constant supervision by someone with oversight, no matter how detailed the construction drawings are. At the moment masonery solutions seem to be more familiar to trades and economical than timber frame. But that said their are 2 or 3 timber frame companies who are doing some top quality work. You only have to visit cloughjordan to compare the quality of various timber frame suppliers.

Selfbuilders often try to cut out the guy who has ultimate responsibility for quality control, call this a main contractor, clerk of works, project manager or architect. This usually results in low quality product. Thats what this thread is about ultimatly. You need an independant contract administrator, because most projects end with the clients having some level of disapointment.
 
I have to say I see nothing in what you said that I disgree with Buildright an dthank you for coming clean about your involvement.

I would just add that for me the plan is the generator, and so the timber frame is like fitting a skeleton to the body, with some obvious limitations - is not just about context but about getting the internal planning right, particularly the procession of spaces and the relationship between the house proper, its public/private zones and the landscape/suburbanscape/townscape/cityscape

I endorse both passive housing and sustainability as far as it goes, but note that something can be economical to run and not be well designed or look well - that is the challenge with passive and sustainable developments - to make them appealing and appropriate in all the other ways a design must work.

To jump sideways a bit, its like the guy who buys a car solely because its a diese - there's more to live than passive design - it can take over, unnecessarily in my opinion, and it has to be balanced against other things - havin a north facing view window for example.

FWIW

ONQ.
 
..indeed, and if I can add my .02 as they say........three other factors I rarely see mentioned in 'spec' sheets,etc.

One is planning. If the CoCo say your house must face North, for example, and that you must have the front door/whatever there, then that I'm afraid that is that. If you are building with an eye to a specific performance level, and the planning condition/restriction conflicts with it, well people need to understand that that, basically, is that. We can't all have perfect orientation.

Second thing, a little more subjective from the client point of view, is personal choice, or taste. If a client wants a dormer, say, or a particular feature (door, window, space) then they should just have it, and if there is a small BER penalty, so be it. It's not the end of the world.

Finally, related to the second, is personal performance preference. For example, I know an arch with a lovely, recent, sea-side house. Totally traditional cavity block construction. OFCH, double-glazed uPVC. Has zero interest in anything else, and won't construct anything else for clients, either. Is onboard with the likes of solar, windpower (when it's ready) etc, but otherwise, it's 'as you were'. In a conversation once upon ago, on the subject of airtightness, he made a point regarding his own home. As he said, and he has a point, there is absolutely no merit in either measuring, or putting materials into, making his house airtight. The reason ? Because, from one end of the year to the other, winter and summer, he never closes the upstairs windows. This is his, 'comfort level'. My personal experience in dealing with ladies who buy, as distinct from men who buy, is that there is a gulf, between, for the same reason. We're all familiar with the 'hogging the radiator' syndrome, in an old, cold house........ ;) and in a new build, this comes up. Take for example a 2-storey we built. No performance goal, specifically, other than 'it has to be as warm as possible', the lady said. Fine. So, fine insulated, airtight walls (u-value around 0.18), UFH, solar panels, HRV, GSHP. And, not one, but 2 open fireplaces. Yep, 2 9" holes into the house. I can get over that, from a practical perspective, she's rural, has free turf, and she just wants them. End of story. House is lovely and warm, and she's happy. But there's a twist: in getting her doors & windows, there was one door unit the mfr would NOT make for her: because, in this fabulous, efficient, warm house, she wanted a....................half-door. Yep, for those (rare) fine days, she wants to have the top half open to the outside world.......and no, there's no point in going on about the HRV system having a hissy-fit when it is, because.............it's what the lady wants. More importantly, she's happy. Sometimes, a little 'reverse' engineering of a situation (like that) works out very well. Honestly ? She couldn't give a fig about the actual BER score, she has exactly what she wanted, her way.

I'm quite sure it kicked the rating into touch, but, pragmatically, it's still an extremely efficient house, compared to traditional stock.

Finally, just thought of this: when most people go to build, new, they aspire to the best. This is great, and, apart from the great leveller that is the current finance situation, sometimes they can't have the Rolls Royce version of their dream, and they get a bit deflated............my advice is: don't be. A lot of people think that if they are going to build at all, it 'must' be an A1. This is because they have an idea of what they think the rating of their house is (let's say a C3), and think the only leap worth making is A1, because B1 wouldn't be much better than they have. This is often folly for the following reasons: 1. A B1 house is still a good house, and 2. In reality, their existing house is probably a ..........E ? The point being, the jump to B1 is both a big qualitative leap, as well as being an affordable one.

All my 0.02, as they say........
 
Some very good points about energy efficiency here along with personal tastes.

I am going the certified passive house route. It's become a personal challenge and nothing more.

I plan to build to and meet the standard. I hope to do so for what I am told is an unrealistic budget. Both huge challenges, I am aware of this.

As regards Galwaytts point on the planning. I was in the preplanning meeting for my home. The front facade of my house is north facing so minimum no. of windows and small ones at that. I had a report from a PH specifier outling the aim of the house. The planner questioned the wall to glazing ratio on the front facade, they weren't terribly happy. I was very quick to point out that it was going to be a passive house and it was necessary. He seemed to accept that. I got the planning permission with no issues. With respect to the planners, they are not all the stereotypes we sometimes portray them as.

SAS
 
I was in the preplanning meeting for my home....... With respect to the planners, they are not all the stereotypes we sometimes portray them as.

SAS

True. But pre-planning meetings are non-binding. Case in point: my own house. I used an architect to do my plans, get planning, etc. As part of that process, a plan was arrived at in consultation with them, and the plans done accordingly.

The day the Arch was lodging the plans (a Friday), I got a call from the Arch and he told me he'd just spent an hour at the counter, lodging, or trying to lodge, the (pre-planning 'approved') drawings, and the planning staff told him if he insisted on lodging that plan, that they would summarily refuse on the Monday. There was a particular facade they said they would not accept, end of. Explanations of how the facade in particular was one that was informed by the pre-planning process, and had been 'approved' (sic), by them met with the response that 'that has nothing to do with this office.'

So, Arch rang me, told me he was withdrawing the application, and on Monday he had to come up with a whole new facade, which dictated a new (different, longer) driveway (and all that that entails), and then lodge them.

Moral of the story? My faith in the pre-planning process, if it's non-binding, isn't great.
 
Moral of the story? My faith in the pre-planning process, if it's non-binding, isn't great.

Ah, but my point wasn't about the validity of the pre-planning process. It was that the planners sometimes do in fact listen to what people say and do pay attention to additional info. submitted with the application. And also that they will sometimes allow designs that don't specifically meet the existing guidelines.
 
if we could get someone with passive completed projects ,to either renovate and buid a second floor[externally insulating current walls and somewhow insulating retrograde floor with radon barrier we would hope to build a high energy rated approx 197 m2 house.

WOULD DEMOLISH AND REBUILD BE A POSSIBILITY, IN MY OPINION THIS WOULD BE ALOT EASIER AND COST EFFECTIVE FOR YOU.

site in west cork by sea

THIS IS VERY RELEVANT AS THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC HUMIDITY PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AREA. IF KNOCK AND REBUILD IS POSSIBLE I WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING A LOOK AT www.hanse-haus.com
 
Griffner Coillte has built quite a lot of houses in Ireland but now they have completely left the country.
Does anyone have a contact name/number/email for them to deal with matters arising?
For example window maintenance, key replacements etc.
Thanks.
 
Hi,
AS far as I know there is no contacts left in Ireland! The best i got was a liquidator in limerick who never returned calls. You can still get a response from Girffner in Austria is you're persistant. I imagine you could order keys from them if you still have the info-card that came with the keys?
There is a dealer for Hrako-Wina windows listed here:[broken link removed]
But I have never tried to contact so don't know if they're still around. I seem to remember a guy from Ulster Windows was working with Griffner to install them?
regards.
 
Just wondering if any Griffner house builders are still on here? Any updates on how the houses are holding up these days?
 
Hi. March 2013 have just found this site after looking on the web after finding that Griffner have gone bust!! We have a griffner house in Austria, and are delighted, if anyone is interested I am quite prepared to discuss ups and downs. ian
 
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