They weren't banning petrol/diesel vehicles altogether or the second hand trade in same.It was ridiculous and unrealistic anyway for the government to be jumping ahead of EU since ireland doesn't even have a car industry so where we're all the cars for this going to come from.
Maybe we could just drive less, keep our cars for longer and use our resources more wisely.It was ridiculous and unrealistic anyway for the government to be jumping ahead of EU since ireland doesn't even have a car industry so where we're all the cars for this going to come from.
They weren't proposing to do the former directly, but that would have been their undoubted effect, along with an aggressive price bubble in the latter which has already started.They weren't banning petrol/diesel vehicles altogether or the second hand trade in same.
Or maybe we could just drive more? It's an integral and IMO necessary element of economic progression.Maybe we could just drive less, keep our cars for longer and use our resources more wisely.
Yes - more driving and traffic gridlock. So many proven economic benefits. Not to mention societal benefits.They weren't proposing to do the former directly, but that would have been their undoubted effect, along with an aggressive price bubble in the latter which has already started.
Or maybe we could just drive more? It's an integral and IMO necessary element of economic progression.
Inevitable and already ongoing byproduct of inevitable and already ongoing population increases.Yes - more driving and traffic gridlock. So many proven economic benefits. Not to mention societal benefits.
I think they are all still producing existing models but that they are not introducing new models of petrol or diesel cars, but sure they can continue to produce existing models for many years anyway.It will be the car manufacturers ultimately who decide when the sale of new diesel/petrol cars ends. Some have already stopped building new diesel/petrol cars and I suspect that by 2035 most (if not all) will have ended so it won't really matter when the EU (or Ireland) decide to introduce the ban.
What bigger challenge than an imminent/in progress global climate catastrophe have we managed successfully?It's ok, we've managed bigger challenges than this, and we'll take this too in our stride.
I've no intention of dragging this off thread - and thus will not debate this at any length - but suffice to say that the claim that we're facing climate catastrophe isn't half as convincing as many people make out. For starters, previous eras of warmer temperatures have generally tended to coincide with economic and social prosperity while lower temperatures have tended to coincide with hardship and social regression.What bigger challenge than an imminent/in progress global climate catastrophe have we managed successfully?
I'd love to drive less, but because of a variety of medical needs, I must drive to hospitals in Dublin, Waterford, and Kilkenny for diagnostics and treatment. I can't use public transport (I've tried) because services don't connect and are unreliable. Lots for our government to fix before jumping ahead with more ridiculous targets.Maybe we could just drive less, keep our cars for longer and use our resources more wisely.
I said drive less. Not stop driving.I'd love to drive less, but because of a variety of medical needs, I must drive to hospitals in Dublin, Waterford, and Kilkenny for diagnostics and treatment. I can't use public transport (I've tried) because services don't connect and are unreliable. Lots for our government to fix before jumping ahead with more ridiculous targets.
You're comparing an apple to an orange.I've no intention of dragging this off thread - and thus will not debate this at any length - but suffice to say that the claim that we're facing climate catastrophe isn't half as convincing as many people make out. For starters, previous eras of warmer temperatures have generally tended to coincide with economic and social prosperity while lower temperatures have tended to coincide with hardship and social regression.
For example the sharp decrease in global poverty in recent decades, achieved despite a burgeoning global population, has coincided with generally warmer temperatures. Humanity is, despite the many predictions of gloom, doing rather well right now.
Where has the problem of gridlock been 'managed' through more cars?Inevitable and already ongoing byproduct of inevitable and already ongoing population increases.
It's ok, we've managed bigger challenges than this, and we'll take this too in our stride.
Bigger and better roads. Ireland is immeasurably better off now with our network of motorways and town bypasses than say 30 years ago when for example every trip from Dublin to Belfast, Galway or Cork almost constituted an expedition.Where has the problem of gridlock been 'managed' through more cars?
Global poverty continues to fall so it can be claimed that we're not yet feeling the full benefits of that right now either.You're comparing an apple to an orange.
Also, we're not feeling the full effects of the problem right now therefore it's not really a problem or an exaggerated problem.
Ah more roads! Building more roads has been such a success that we now spend more time stuck in traffic. And if we continue with more roads and more cars we'll spend even more time stuck in traffic.Bigger and better roads. Ireland is immeasurably better off now with our network of motorways and town bypasses than say 30 years ago when for example every trip from Dublin to Belfast, Galway or Cork almost constituted an expedition.
Not in comparison to 1990 we don't. Nor even 2005. And our population has grown sharply since that.Ah more roads! Building more roads has been such a success that we now spend more time stuck in traffic.
That remains unproven. The consensus seems to be in the opposite direction - that the in-the-pipeline bypasses of Galway, Adare, Moycullen, Castlebar, Virginia and elsewhere will relieve traffic bottlenecks rather than add to them.And if we continue with more roads and more cars we'll spend even more time stuck in traffic.
I always consider alternatives, where they exist. Dublin public transport for instance is immeasurably better than even a few decades ago.At what point will you consider an alternative?
I'd like to have the choice.I said drive less. Not stop driving.
will we end up driving ageing cars like Cuba due the lack of availability of new ones, or a 10 year waiting list for a car like the old Soviet union, we seem to be going down that roadThey weren't proposing to do the former directly, but that would have been their undoubted effect, along with an aggressive price bubble in the latter which has already started.
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