Government approves legislation to provide for temporary stay on tenancy terminations

MrViking said:
This is only step 1. The “moratorium” will be extended in April as it will be politically difficult not to do so. Government will roll the dice on a constitutional challenge. By the time this makes it way through courts, SF will be in power and running a referendum on right to housing…..paving pathway to permanent tenancy. This is how this is going to play out.
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There will be one mad exodus for the door by Mom and Pop landlords in that scenario exacerbating the current exodus
 
MrViking said:
That’s me kid!

Rent controls + high inflation + permanent tenancy = cantankerous landlord!

And I don’t think this will be just me once the impact of high price inflation on “real” rents becomes more tangible for folks.
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My mortgage interest will have gone up over 2500 euro a year it the ECB increases rates as predicted by the end of the year. My property is below market rent by about 40% (didn't increase rent for years cause tenants were excellent). Paying for this now of course.

So forget about inflation and repairs, maintenance etc increasing in cost, the mortgage interest going thru the roof, I can only increase the rent by 300 euro a year gross and my costs have gone up over 8 times that amount. That's not fair at all and I won't be repairing anything in the house in the urgency that I always prided myself on previously.

I don't even want to charge market rent, but even if instead of 40% under market rent, if I could close the gap to 20% I would be happy. But the RPZ that were meant to be temporary, will never be removed I'd imagine, so I'm left with no option but to sell up and serve notice.
 
PebbleBeach2020 said:
My mortgage interest will have gone up over 2500 euro a year it the ECB increases rates as predicted by the end of the year. My property is below market rent by about 40% (didn't increase rent for years cause tenants were excellent). Paying for this now of course.

So forget about inflation and repairs, maintenance etc increasing in cost, the mortgage interest going thru the roof, I can only increase the rent by 300 euro a year gross and my costs have gone up over 8 times that amount. That's not fair at all and I won't be repairing anything in the house in the urgency that I always prided myself on previously.

I don't even want to charge market rent, but even if instead of 40% under market rent, if I could close the gap to 20% I would be happy. But the RPZ that were meant to be temporary, will never be removed I'd imagine, so I'm left with no option but to sell up and serve notice.
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Your are experiencing now, what will become the norm for all landlords in a few years time…..once the effect of RPZ limits begins to bite. You are a few years ahead as you got locked into below market rents. I can feel your pain.

I’m annoyed at FG/FF for adopting a series of socialist policies on housing which were never going to achieve anything other than to kill off the private market supply. Now they are simply doubling down on the same failed policies in order to be seen to be doing something. They will still get destroyed in the next election, regardless….so all they have achieved is to further erode their base support. The sad thing is that there’s no party I would vote for now. No alternative with a backbone to stick to a centre right ideology. Who ever said democracy was best? A hybrid between democracy and dictatorship may be better…..comes with risks, but at least we’d have politicians with the balls to make the right long term decisions!
 
Agree that we need some long term infrastructure dictator, independent appointee that looks after the long term common good (we have recently established that the common good can be determined without any debate as it's self evident so there are no political risks). This could be an appointment along the lines of the Central Bank Governer.

They get allocated N% of the budget. Government gets to play with 100-N%, as they demonstrably can't be trusted to do long term planning with the full budget.

Something needs to be done as it seems we are at the point where we have to suspend property rights to look after the common good.
That is obviously a massive failure of government planning.

The new role of Housing Governer, could come with perks, starting with a free tent in the Phoenix park and get their housing upgraded as they got the job done.
 
So the Bill says that all references to a landlord shall be construed to include a licensor and all references to a tenant shall be construed to include a licensee.

But licensors are not required to give their licensees notices of termination so how does that work? What exactly is deferred in that scenario?

Bonkers stuff.
 
Sarenco said:
So the Bill says that all references to a landlord shall be construed to include a licensor and all references to a tenant shall be construed to include a licensee.

But licensors are not required to give their licensees notices of termination so how does that work? What exactly is deferred in that scenario?

Bonkers stuff
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So if you or I book into a fancy hotel a few hours before this kicks in, paying for one night, we can stay as long as we like until the Act expires, without paying a further cent?

They're making this up on the hoof.
 
T McGibney said:
So if you or I book into a fancy hotel a few hours before this kicks in, paying for one night, we can stay as long as we like until the Act expires, without paying a further cent?

They're making this up on the hoof.
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Well, no.

Again, this Bill has nothing to do with evictions. All it does is defer the termination of certain tenancies.

The point of which completely eludes me.
 
The bill says:

in order to mitigate the risk that persons whose tenancies would otherwise be terminated during that period would be unable to obtain alternative accommodation;
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I have zero idea what "emergency" there is today that will not be there on 1 April 2023. The rental market is extremely tight and landlords are leaving for well-known reasons. That is not going to change and there is no magic supply of alternative accommodation that is going to emerge by then.

All this will do is defer the process a bit and lead to a glut of terminations at a later point.

I guess winter will be over then.....is homelessness more palatable in spring than December?
 
It looks like even if you have served a termination notice the end date is now deferred - am I correct in my reading of this ?
 
NoRegretsCoyote said:
I guess winter will be over then.....is homelessness more palatable in spring than December?
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Bear in mind that this Bill has nothing to do with evictions.

A tenant whose lease terminates next Spring won't face eviction for months (or even years) under our system.

This Bill is really nothing more than virtue signalling - it doesn't solve anything in a practical sense.
 
Is the end date only deferred if its already served, and lands between November and April ? eg if the termination date is October 26th 2022, does this avoid the ban ?
 
S0@p0per@ said:
Is the end date only deferred if its already served, and lands between November and April ? eg if the termination date is October 26th 2022, does this avoid the ban ?
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It might, the ban applies from the date the legislation is enacted. That will be pretty soon though
 
S0@p0per@ said:
Is the end date only deferred if its already served, and lands between November and April ? eg if the termination date is October 26th 2022, does this avoid the ban ?
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If the tenants don't leave on that date does it then become a 'fault' eviction rather than a 'no fault' eviction and they have to leave, but how are you going to make them leave etc.

Also if you issue an eviction notice now with a date of April 21st, it would appear to be clear of the legislation, however someone with a date falling in the Nov- March period is being told their eviction will be dealt with on a sliding basis between April and June, so could in fact be later than one issued now?

All very confusing.
 
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