Getting ready for the future now

But I've spent a few months reading many posts in these forums, educating myself about the alternatives and I'm starting to understand that in my case selling would be the best choice for me now even though it will definitely feel like failure.
Superb post @CharlieMac - shows how emotive this decision can be, understandably so, but that it must be taken with the future in mind, not the past. You’ve won, you’ve climbed out of a deep hole, it’s a win not a failure.

Just re pre-paying AVC’s, seems risky in the context of any future changes in employment circumstances can shut off the avenue of claiming tax relief, if I understand it correctly.

See S class post

I’d be very nervous paying any more than 2-3 years ahead and I’d want to be very certain about my job until then.

I think with 200k, I would look at a few other non-pension options for some of it. Some good threads in Investments section re conglomerate shares like Berkshire Hathaway and the like.

Also, good advice from @misemoi above, some of it could/should potentially be treated as medium-term savings as opposed to long-term investment, depending on kids college plans, etc. Home improvements like solar should be paid from cash if you can, you’ll get a low-risk, inflation-adjusting RoI of about 5-6% over 25 years by my calc’s, not bad!
 
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Have you done the sums on what your eventual pension will be, maximising at your current salary? And will that be an amount that will give you the standard of living you will require if you do the max?

And I really urge you to cash flow plan the next 20 years, with a few scenarios ie all 3 go to college, 1 goes, 2 go etc. And see if your cash flow will support this and also continue maximising contributions. Because I think as most of your wealth is in property, one which is never to be sold/downsized,, the other pretty illiquid, at some stage, you will need to either reduce pension contributions or not fund something else, even with all the discipline in the world.
Our current pension contribution (between us) is 1k per month. If we continue even just that until I’m 68, our online fund value is showing as 621k. That’s without even maxing out the pensions. That’s with 12k a year going to the pensions (albeit including my employer contribution of about 10%). If my wife and I max out our pensions when mortgages are cleared, we’ll have 24k a year going in - 19k from us and 5k from my employer. That’s showing as over 1.1 million.

There is an element of how much is too much too. My wife and I are, to be honest, quite cheap to run. We’re happier with a take away as opposed to an expensive restaurant. Our favourite past time is attending GAA games which is a relatively cheap pursuit to follow. We go on two holidays a year which between flights, accommodation and spending money cost us less than 8k so about 4k per holiday. The apartments we stay in for the week on holidays cost one friend I have what their hotel costs them for a night!

I listen intently to people like Scott Galloway and, as he says, the wealthiest person in the world to him is his father because he spends 50k dollars a year to live happily but has 55k coming in.

I think the bottom line I’m looking at, and this is the decision I made last Summer, is that the house will need to be sold, albeit eventually. Why rush into selling it now though when there are factors to look at:
1. I’d have preferred to have engaged with a financial planner prior to selling it for a period so that I am happy to take their advice re how to distribute the funds.
2. Every month we are knocking more off the mortgage and, at present, prices are only going up. Others may disagree as they have above but the population is rising, we’re building 29k houses per year and we need 92k. I know plenty of people, taking the 30 year olds out of it, between the ages of 40 to 60 trying to rehome themselves that are regularly being outbid on properties.
3. Re the education issue, my eldest is in 2nd year. It’ll be at least another 3.5 years until he’s deciding what to do. Even then, a lot of children in the area attend a local PLC for a year to get a taste of college life before they continue onto college. He may not do that, he may not even go to college. There’s a lot up in the air but it’s still 3.5 years away which means time is there. If he does transition year, we’ve 4.5 years.
4. And, as I’ve said, when the property is gone, it’s gone. At the minute it’s there to at least help one child if they wanted to live in the area. Sell it and it’s gone. Sell it in a few years and hand them 100k each and 100k to ourselves for example. While it’s there, there are still options.

I’m sure people will come back and rubbish those points, which I’ve no issue with, that’s why I’m engaging in this process and I assure you I am taking the comments on board. Take the money now and stick it in a pension will maximise it I’m sure but, based on our lifestyle, do we need to make that decision right now considering the plans we have in place?
 
A couple of things, you are in your early 40s, so you are happily thinking that you will continue to work full time for another 28 years. Fast forward late 49s to early 50s, you might think that actually retiring earlier might be better.
I don't know what your children plans are but even if they don't need accommodation, you can budget about 6k per year for university and 70 per cent of young people end up with a degree.
Will you be able to fund this and your full pension contributions?
If you are not in a rpz, I think the rental might not be as much as an issue as you can improve your return.
But I would still look the numbers in details. I did look at the number for us. There was not a huge difference between what we could have had maximising my husband pension for the past decade and what we did with our rental despite the huge property price inflation. However, having a rental allowed us to have an additional monthly income which helped us to maintain and improve our lifestyle at the time and allowed us to live comfortably with one main earner. We would not have been as comfortable if we didn't have that income and on top of it had to maximise our pensions. So for us, I don't think the compromise was too bad. However, at this point, in isolation, I know that the numbers are not in favour of keeping the rental.
 
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Just to update this thread. I ended up taking a promotion in work which came with a 10k pay rise (on top of a 2k yearly pay rise that was due) so I’m now making 12k a year more.

In turn with this, pension contributions have been increased from €1000 to €1250.

Our take home amount has increased by about €600 so, for example, this month we were able to stick €750 into our buffer account.

The hope is that most months we will have €500 or so to place in this, even after AVC contribution (which is now at 8% of salary) and a further €200 put aside for company shares.
 
Our take home amount has increased by about €600 so, for example, this month we were able to stick €750 into our buffer account.

The hope is that most months we will have €500 or so to place in this, even after AVC contribution (which is now at 8% of salary) and a further €200 put aside for company shares.
Might it make more sense to prioritise maximising pension savings over non-pension savings?
 
Our buffer/emergency fund is at €13,500 now. I’d like to get it to €20,000 before I pump everything available into the pension. After all, once the money goes into the pension, it’s unavailable for the foreseeable future.

The company shares are bought at a discounted rate and the company guarantee the value (should they decrease) so they’re a no brainier.
 
I assure you I am taking the comments on board

Doesn't really look like it - posters have run the basic maths for you and you've dug your heels in again and again. You asked for advice, consensus is to sell the property (as it almost always is) - and you've come up with more and more reasons not to.

If you were looking for praise for how well you've done - paying down your PPR was a great achievement.

Keeping that rental property doesn't make sense financially, you may as well admit that you're just going to do whatever you want. Which is fine, but it would have saved some posters a lot of effort had you done so at the start!
 
have done comparisons with others with similar houses and our consumption didn’t seem out of the ordinary, particularly given how often we are here
I have similar sized house with geothermal HP and our annual bill is about 3500. So yours isnt massively out of kilter but it is very very high (unlike mine which is just very high!)
 
have similar sized house with geothermal HP and our annual bill is about 3500. So yours isnt massively out of kilter but it is very very high (unlike mine which is just very high!)
I've a geothermal heat pump too,house same size and have spent a lot of cash upgrading insulation, solar, windows, airtightness.

I'm still paying 3500 to 4000 NET of solar generation so doesn't seem too bad to me

Not an easy decision but I'd sell the BTL property as itisimply concentrates the risk too much, one bad tenant and your financial position would be very materially impacted, similarly your expised to all manner of risks including being exposed to political interference with the private rental market
 
Doesn't really look like it - posters have run the basic maths for you and you've dug your heels in again and again. You asked for advice, consensus is to sell the property (as it almost always is) - and you've come up with more and more reasons not to.
And the original poster keeps saying stuff like this:
The plan is to maximise our pensions for at least 20 years anyway.
my plan is to maximise pension contributions for the next 25 years or however long I work.
but then simultaneously arguing why it's a bad idea to put money into a pension because it's locked away...
Bulking up on the pension is very good but we won’t see that for another 20 years.
But if I put the money into a pension and, say, in a few years I want to help one of my kids out and need 50k or 100k - I won’t have access to that.
After all, once the money goes into the pension, it’s unavailable for the foreseeable future.
 
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but then simultaneously arguing why it's a bad idea to put money into a pension because it's locked away...
As I’ve explained, we have 20-25 years to drip feed our maximum tax deductible amount into the pension from salary and get the tax benefit of this. I’ve no problem with forfeiting this amount each month to build the pension.

My point about putting the large lump sum into a pension is that it will then immediately be inaccessible as opposed to holding the value in the house which could be sold if the funds were needed.

Key point: There is a difference between drip feeding in a sum each month and having that amount inaccessible versus making a large lump sum inaccessible.
 
Keeping that rental property doesn't make sense financially, you may as well admit that you're just going to do whatever you want. Which is fine, but it would have saved some posters a lot of effort had you done so at the start!
I don’t envisage retaining the property but I’m in no rush to sell it either. House prices have increased 8% to 10% in the last twelve months and I listened to the Matt Cooper/Ivan Yates podcast Path To Power this morning which on a weekly basis points out the huge amount of issues with trying to get even near the amount of housing stock we need built. Supply is not going to meet demand for equilibrium anytime soon.

I’ve a good tenant I rarely, if ever, hear from, house prices are increasing, rent is increasing, I pay minimal tax on the rental amount, every month is another month of mortgage cleared for when I do sell….

What’s the reason to rush into selling?
 
Not sure why you are asking for advice? You appear to have already decided on your plan of action

I accept the advice re selling but I also feel that I should hold an asset that is only increasing in value, and causing me no hassle due to a good tenant, until an optimum time for sale.

I asked for advice re other items like investing extra funds etc.
 
I asked for advice re other items like investing extra funds etc.
Our pension is minimal (only 24k)
Any thoughts on anything we may be missing or what we could improve?
In my opinion you should be looking to maximise your pension savings in preference to other options, including the rental property and possibly even including the employee stock incentive scheme (but that depends on the specifics of that scheme).
 
What’s the reason to rush into selling?

Look, it's not that difficult - you don't have a complex financial situation that requires lots of advice.

People's main challenge in life is to manage to pay off their mortgage and fund their pension.

You've chosen to pay off the mortgage, great. You don't have a good pension. You've been advised to sell the property to fund your pension and invest in the markets as it makes more sense from an overall financial perspective (no emotional attachment to bricks and mortar).

You've moved the goalposts from "I'm not selling, I want the kids to have the choice to live in it as adults" to "Yeah I'm going to sell but what's the rush?" over the course of the thread.

The rush is 20+ years of market growth, as well as the tax relief of fully stuffing your pension.

Beyond keeping or selling the rental property there's no real advice to give, beyond fully funding your pension now which you have started to do.
 
You've moved the goalposts from "I'm not selling, I want the kids to have the choice to live in it as adults" to "Yeah I'm going to sell but what's the rush?" over the course of the thread.

One of the kids is 15 now so them being adults is not far away. I don’t see myself holding the property past 2030 to be honest and that is short to medium term to me.
 
In my opinion you should be looking to maximise your pension savings in preference to other options, including the rental property and possibly even including the employee stock incentive scheme (but that depends on the specifics of that scheme).
The share incentive scheme is that yearly bonus goes into company shares and after 3 years is available tax free. The plan would be to take the bonus after the 3 years and put it into AVC then if we are not fully maximising pension by then.

In the past 12 months, the shares have increased in value by €8 per share.
 
The share incentive scheme is that yearly bonus goes into company shares and after 3 years is available tax free. The plan would be to take the bonus after the 3 years and put it into AVC then if we are not fully maximising pension by then.
I am pretty sure this type of plan is better than any pension contribution, full tax relief essentially at your marginal rate and not just deferring tax with part tax free and only have to wait three years, yes the shares can go down but so could whatever you invest pension in (if it’s risky assets)
 
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