I the discussion about pay for the gardai has anyone calculated what the weekly value of their pension is? Remember they retire at 55.
I remember in 2009 the average value of their pension fund at retirement was €1,100,000. What would someone have to put into their fund each week for 30 years to get a fund that size?
The average pension is over with the average tax free lump sum at over €100,000.
What would that cost a month?
Taking that into account what's their real income?
Do the headline figures we hear include pensionable expenses? If it's pensionable then it's income.
The average pension is over with the average tax free lump sum at over €100,000.
The reality is that Garda pay is shocking - not at all what it should be. That's why when vacancies for new recruits are advertised, there is essentially zero interest from the general public because the pay and conditions, actual and deferred, are so awful.
There are almost 30 applicants for each vacancy in the force. Hardly what I'd call no interest.
I think they should be well paid and that they generally do an excellent job but why not have the discussion honestly? In my opinion they should be paid more than teachers and nurses.....
Three of the seven public sector sub-sectors had annual increases in average weekly earnings, with an Garda Siochánarecording the largest rise of 4.7% from €1,245.30 to €1,304.11 in the year to Q2 2016....
...An Garda Siochána had the next highest earnings with average hourly earnings in the year to Q2 2016 of €30.52 and also worked the longest hours of 42.7 hours.
If the pay and pension is so attractive for older members of the force why are they not offering to take a very small reduction in pay in order to level out the pay for newer members?
If the pay and pension is so attractive for older members of the force why are they not offering to take a very small reduction in pay in order to level out the pay for newer members?
I suppose the same can be said for teachers. Maybe a very small reduction in pensions for retired teachers and Gardai could be introduced so that newer recruits get the same pay and conditions as existing members?
WowMany ofthose criticising the unions are tax dodgers in the private sector who feature on every list from Revenue
Bettering yourself is not the same thing as looking for more money to do the same job.Any group of workers who seek to better themselves will be attacked by someone.
Or you could earn it rather than just looking for more money for doing the same job.In this world if you want something you go out and get it yourself. No one else will give it to you.
That's because all of them, with the exception of nurses, are regarded as well paid and there are dozens of people queuing up for every available job. That tells us that they are paid at or above an open market rate.Be it nurses teachers guards tram drivers no one was running around saying to give them a pay rise.
Upon what do you base that assumption?Many of those criticising the unions are tax dodgers in the private sector who feature on every list from Revenue
Maybe they should be paid more but the BS that they are on €410 a week is well, BS.
It's hard to understand why anyone wants to be a Guard or a nurse at this stage, I don't think either job is worth the pay given the conditions. There should be twice as many Guards and many more beds in hospitals. It's time for an end to FEMPI and the PS Pension Levy/Tax too and if the PS unions weren't spineless then FEMPI would be gone already.So unless we are quiet happy to fill our guards, nurses, teachers etc with people who are just happy to have a job no matter what the pay and conditions instead of having people who want to do the job and see it as a career, then maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge.
That's a tad simplistic. Should the fact that there would likely be multiple applications for your job rule out the possibility of a pay rise for you? What we really need is more Gardaí.There are 30 applicants for every vacancy in the Gardai, they don't need a pay rise.
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