Filing deadline and who it applies to

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Monbretia

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This question kind of straddles personal and business and is the answer different depending on which you are? The particular example I have in mind is paye of company but director so subject to form 11 and accountant doing return and definitely only done today.

So based on this example is the bottom statement true? I feel it can't be as I always, maybe incorrectly, assumed accountants also filed through ROS on your behalf as an admin of some sort. Or is the below true for business accounts? Is it ever true?

'If an accountant is filing for you it needs to be done by Oct 31st. 19th if filing yourself through ROS.'
 
The filing for a person registered for income tax/ chargeable person online is 19th of November if done online (see below)

That's for sole trade income only / sole traders

PAYE workers with non PAYE income over 5k net profit or 30k gross

and

proprietary directors (a company director with over 15% shareholding even though their income is deducted under PAYE system) For example

And the timelines are the same for all

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The Pay and File deadline for the 2024 Income Tax Return (Form 11) is Friday 31 October 2025.

There is an extension if you pay and file on the Revenue Online Service (ROS).

The deadline for paying and filing on ROS for the 2024 Income Tax Return (Form 11) is Wednesday 19 November 2025.

It doesn't matter if an accountant is supporting you or not

/But no doubt an accountant might tell you October 31st to give themselves time for the online extension because a significant majority of clients are terrible and will send their stuff at last minute if they think the 19th is the deadline and it will be missed/
 
Most people know about the 19th Novemeber filing deadline now - it moves slightly every year. If someone sent me stuff in the last day or two before the filing date to prepare their return it would get sent back to them fairly quickly.
 
Monbretia said:
So based on this example is the bottom statement true? I feel it can't be as I always, maybe incorrectly, assumed accountants also filed through ROS on your behalf as an admin of some sort. Or is the below true for business accounts? Is it ever true?

'If an accountant is filing for you it needs to be done by Oct 31st. 19th if filing yourself through ROS.'
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Where does this quote come from?
 
The quote is from a reply to me on another forum where I advised a poster that 19th was extended filing date if done through ROS, fairly prolific poster on the site and 'seemed' to be knowledgeable so didn't want to get myself into a back and forth situation but wondered if there was any accuracy to the statement!
 
thecoffeepod said:
It doesn't matter if an accountant is supporting you or not
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This is the point of the question, when you say supporting do you mean inputting the return? I assumed that an accountant input the info on ROS as well, obviously not as the taxpayer but under some sort of admin system. (Note I have never employed an accountant to do my return, I used to do it myself so never had experience of this situation)

This is just to do with a reply to me on info I gave, but as it happened I had family member having their returns submitted yday by accountant on their personal tax, prop director and all that, so that made me wonder whether or not the original quote could possibly be true?

This is nothing to do with someone giving stuff late to their accountant or accountant giving date of 31/10 to hurry up client or anything like that, accountant had the info in time but for whatever reason was submitting yday, not the issue at all once it's done in time, must just have suited their own work timelines or whatever and is a side issue to the original query, just happened to make me wonder. I'm just wondering about the accuracy of the original quote, it's either right or wrong as a statement, that's what I am trying to be definite about.
 
Monbretia said:
This is the point of the question, when you say supporting do you mean inputting the return? I assumed that an accountant input the info on ROS as well, obviously not as the taxpayer but under some sort of admin system. (Note I have never employed an accountant to do my return, I used to do it myself so never had experience of this situation)

This is just to do with a reply to me on info I gave, but as it happened I had family member having their returns submitted yday by accountant on their personal tax, prop director and all that, so that made me wonder whether or not the original quote could possibly be true?

This is nothing to do with someone giving stuff late to their accountant or accountant giving date of 31/10 to hurry up client or anything like that, accountant had the info in time but for whatever reason was submitting yday, not the issue at all once it's done in time, must just have suited their own work timelines or whatever and is a side issue to the original query, just happened to make me wonder. I'm just wondering about the accuracy of the original quote, it's either right or wrong as a statement, that's what I am trying to be definite about.
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Supporting, helping, advising , it doesnt matter what way it's phrased

the deadline for the tax payer are always the same

Imagine you’re baking a cake for a party with two possible deadlines for when the cake must be ready.

Everyone has the same opportunity:

you can either have the cake fully baked and decorated by the first deadline (31st October) if you bake it conventionally (paper or in-person).

Or,

if you use a special oven that bakes and decorates the cake faster and more efficiently (the online ROS system), you get an extended deadline until the 19th of November.

It doesn't matter if you bake the cake yourself or hire a professional baker—

those deadlines apply equally to everyone.

The only thing that changes is the method, which gives you more time with the special oven (online filing and payment).
 
thecoffeepod said:
Supporting, helping, advising , it doesnt matter what way it's phrased
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It kinda does, any of those three words could refer to an accoutant sitting beside me while I the taxpayer input the return on ROS and doesn't clarify for me if the accountant themselves doing it inputs using the same 'special oven' as a taxpayer can? If this is the case then the original quote is an incorrect statement, that is all I am trying to ascertain.

I understand the basic reason etc for the extension and the difference in filing, I'm just trying to clarify that the statement is or isn't correct, personally I don't think it is correct but don't want to start a row unless sure of my facts!
 
Monbretia said:
kinda does, any of those three words could refer to an accoutant sitting beside me while I the taxpayer input the return on ROS and doesn't clarify for me if the accountant themselves doing it inputs using the same 'special oven' as a taxpayer can? If this is the case then the original quote is an incorrect statement, that is all I am trying to ascertain.

I understand the basic reason etc for the extension and the difference in filing, I'm just trying to clarify that the statement is or isn't correct, personally I don't think it is correct but don't want to start a row unless sure of my facts
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Honestly, I'm at a loss here ....

It doesn't matter who submits your tax return

You
Your accountant


The deadline is the same

If the return is submitted online via ROS then the mid November is the deadline (19th this year)

Otherwise October 31st
 
Therefore I take it accountants use same ROS to submit too, that's basically what I'm asking? Am I not saying it right?
I don't need a big complicated answer or a baking lesson, a simple yes or no will suffice. Forget it at this stage, I'm not checking back.
 
I literally answered it in response to your opening post and you still didn't get it

So again, if your accountant is using ROS/Online to submit your return then he/she has until mid November.

(The statement you posted in the opening post is incorrect) Just to confirm
 
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