Discussion in 'Cars, cycling and transport' started by IrishGunner, May 15, 2017.
Is that the same as the VW toe-rag?
No the Ateca is in the same bracket as the VW Tiguan.
I am looking at one of these at the moment. The problem is that they will no longer be made and will be replaced by the Karoq later this year. Because of this should I be looking for a large discount? It's a new car.
Once the new ones comes out, second hand models of the older one will drop in value. So yes, push for a deeper discount.
Only catching this thread now as in a similar debate myself but will pose a separate thread. It is a relatively interesting read around peoples opinions on the various cars out there.
However, I will make a few comments here around buying cars with young families, with babies, especially if you have parents down the country that you need to visit. We have 2 kids 20 months apart, with parents in rural Cork (3 hours drive) and Galway (2 hours drive) away. We visit each about 4 times a year, and obviously do not maintain a full stock of baby items at either house.
I am not picking on @Firefly here but their post was the easiest to copy. Babies these days come with a lot of gear. A stroller is not a very good recommendation for a baby or any child below ~18 months, and are rarely suitable from birth. While not ideal, a proper travel system is needed until that age for the comfort of the child. Any child before they are crawling (~9-12 months) will spend most of their time in one of those, especially in a house that is not exactly baby proofed (think agricultural farmhouse here!). Try fitting a decent buggy (not stroller) into an average car boot with a suitcase, and your spare capacity will quickly disappear. That's before things like sterilisers, baby chairs, any toys, formula etc etc. And that's just the baby. Add a 2 year old toddler into the mix and its a different game.
I know some people talked here about letting the 40% side of the back seat down, but if you have 2 in car seats that is not really an option.
I have this exact same discussion with my mother from time to time - "sure we managed with 5 of you". She forgets that we rarely went travelling as a full family outside of the local environment (until we were in our teens); there was no such thing as car seats- we all squashed into the car. Heading to Dublin was unknown never mind anywhere else. Overnight travel outside of a holiday was very unusual, and rarely were there holidays with a baby or toddler in the house.
This statement I would absolutely agree with. We purchased an Avensis shortly before our first was due - 2 year old, low mileage. It is a great car for two babies/toddlers. Fantastic boot space, great for the car seats and reasonable room in the back. Reliable and boring yes, but surely this is what you need with babies/toddlers in the car. They can climb in/out of it from an early enough age. It is cheap to tax, drive and service. Ticks all the boxes, except maybe aesthetics but that was not an important consideration for me with small kids. The back seats get destroyed with all sorts over the years anyway.
I think the SUV type models are better suited to the primary school years but that is a different thread
The only reason to buy an SUV is if you live in a place with bad roads or is prone to flooding or heavy snow.
If you want one because you think they look nice or like the high driving position then fine but for those in an urban area there is never a need to buy one.
A large saloon car or estate will have more cabin room, a bigger boot, will be safer and will be cheaper to run.
I have spent the last week doing the rounds of all the main car dealers in the Dublin area. The standard of service I have received leaves a lot to be desired. Many didn't even bother to get off their chair to look at my trade in. Some never offered me a test drive. Others said they would send on an email with my offer. Still waiting. One guy I rang said he had the colour and model I wanted in stock. I drove to the other side of the city to find that he did not have the colour in stock. He had a different model but he said it was the same.
A Peugeot dealer was charging me €250 for a reversing camera and apple phone docking pod that comes as standard in all 2018 models.
My trade in/scrappage on my existing car has ranged in the few hundreds to €4k for similar priced new cars. Some manufacturers are supporting their dealers others are not.
There is a terrible sameness about all the various SUV's that are currently on the market and coming to the market for 2018.
All that matters is the cost to change. They can call it a trade in price or they can call it a discount on the new car but it amounts to the same thing.
When I was looking to buy a new 2018 car recently I was shown the 2016 specification for the Peugeot I was interested in. In this year of the specification there was a charge for the reversing camera on the model. In 2016 it was standard on the higher spec models but not on the lower spec models.
However I was told that there was a charge of €250 for a reversing camera on the 2018 models. Initially I accepted this because I was reading the 2016 spec not the 2018 spec. No mention was made to me that the lower spec models for 2018 had been upgraded to include a camera.
Why show a 2016 specification for an upgraded 2018 version?
Absolutely agree @Purple I definitely do not need a 4x4 car, which some of the SUV models are. I also think people mix up the concept of a cross-over and an SUV. To me, most of the cars sold are closer to being cross overs than actual SUV's.
I can’t quite get my head around what a “cross-over” is.
It seems to be a vehicle that has the small cabin size, reduced passenger and pedestrian safety, reduced fuel economy and steering of the 4X4 without the benefits of a 4X4. I just don’t see the point.
I've you're into biking or the like they're handy as the higher load space will let you get a couple of bikes inside the vehicle with the rear seats folded. This is particularly a benefit on longer journeys where you might want to stop without the fear of bikes being stolen from external racks. The built-in locks on even the more expensive Thule racks can be broken within ~30 seconds. Same applies to other activities requiring the carrying bulky items. Some estates like the Skoda Superb will offer better overall storage, though not with the same height. The popularity of cross-overs seems to have killed off hatchbacks as well, very little choice in that market any more.
Some find the higher rear seats a lot easier on the back when loading small children into car seats. Some like the higher driving position.
But yeah, apart from those, not too many positives.
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