The subsidies ended Jan 1st, that month saw 2,829 new EVs versus 2,531 in 2023. Even with your suggested collapse, the share of EV sales in Q1 was in line with 2022. Some collapse.The subsidies ended last year. Sales were down on a relative basis in January, and have collapsed since.
Hmm, so the vested interests that are currently milking high margins on EVs release sound bites and predictions of doom in order to keep the gravy train rolling?Subsidy Drop Will Hit EV Sales But Hyundai Sees Rebound | BloombergNEF
Overall, electric vehicle manufacturers in Europe are concerned about slowing demand and a shifting regulatory environment.about.bnef.com
I’m wrong, the Head of Hyundai Europe is wrong, the Head of EV Charging Infrastructure at Bloomberg is wrong, and Leo is right…
Oh I plan on an annual reminder@Leo you had better screenshot and frame this!
If they're not selling how is it they're making up more than 14% of sales while still being over-priced relative to similarly sized and specified ICE options?EVs are not selling, despite the price drops
@arbitron, overestimating demand = EVs not selling
The subsidies ended Jan 1st, that month saw 2,829 new EVs versus 2,531 in 2023. Even with your suggested collapse, the share of EV sales in Q1 was in line with 2022. Some collapse.
OK, my 10 cents. Who'd rather buy my main marque 3 ltr 2012 diesel , imported in 2016 with inexpensive road tax and very good fuel economy for its class, fully loaded, stop-start etc superb build and style or my mates 2014 Nissan leaf ? Pioneers get arrows in the back , settlers get land
I learned to drive almost 40 years ago. I've owned 8 cars in that time. I never bought a car based on how much it cost to service. We choose the cars we buy for a multitude of reasons. Very few of those reasons are sound and we employ cognitive dissonance to help explain our reasons to ourselves and others....me included. I've never had a new car, or one on finance , so I've experienced the true cost of motoring for me. I suppose my point was that my car still performs as well as it did post-factory and ,although ,newer models have some additional bells and whistles and a few less buttons, the improvements are marginal. The 2014 Leaf had a range of approx 100km in optimal conditions. Early adopters can explain that away, I'm sure.Which would be cheaper to service.
I learned to drive almost 40 years ago. I've owned 8 cars in that time. I never bought a car based on how much it cost to service. We choose the cars we buy for a multitude of reasons. Very few of those reasons are sound and we employ cognitive dissonance to help explain our reasons to ourselves and others....me included. I've never had a new car, or one on finance , so I've experienced the true cost of motoring for me. I suppose my point was that my car still performs as well as it did post-factory and ,although ,newer models have some additional bells and whistles and a few less buttons, the improvements are marginal. The 2014 Leaf had a range of approx 100km in optimal conditions. Early adopters can explain that away, I'm sure.
I don't have an estate car. Service 3 weeks ago €240. Best car for the job is the one that contemplates overall versatility. Off to the shops and stuck in Paris traffic on road trip with 3 passengers and a/c on high ( 35⁰ outside) . I suppose if you selected the best car for EACH job that'd be ideal situation but you're gonna need a bigger drivewayThat you chose not to answer the question..answers that question.
Very different cars. An early leaf has a very narrow use case. I wouldn't choose a 3L diesel estate as a car that only does short journey city journeys in heavy traffic.
The leaf is a 1st generation product. I wouldn't have bought one even new. Would I buy a 2nd generation EV over an old diesel for driving around the city. Absolutely.
If long distance driving was a high % percentage of my driving would I pick the diesel over an EV. Absolutely.
Simply a matter of the best tool for the job. Just because a diesel suits you doesn't mean it suits me. I had a petrol and a diesel. I replaced the diesel with an EV and kept the petrol. For others the diesel would be the one to keep. Or have two diesels. If you have two cars Vs one car changes that decision again.
There's also the question of driving aids like Automatic Cruise Control. Also safety rating of a 2012 car Vs a newer car. Lots of reasons to change cars other than range.
I made that point about having one car vs two. Would I buy two 7 seaters. If we have two drivers going in different directions no matter how versatile, one car will not solve that problem.I don't have an estate car. Service 3 weeks ago €240. Best car for the job is the one that contemplates overall versatility. Off to the shops and stuck in Paris traffic on road trip with 3 passengers and a/c on high ( 35⁰ outside) . I suppose if you selected the best car for EACH job that'd be ideal situation but you're gonna need a bigger driveway
* if I was an electrical engineer I might put high output solar panels on my roof, buy a second hand leaf, panels charge the battery and battery powers the house ??? Might just be possible, with the added benefit of option to short-hop, so zero range-anxiety.
Well thanks for that. My late father liked to tell me that I was "full of good ideas, if only I could think of them " it seems that, once again, I've 'invented' something that already exists..Well you need a bidirectional charger to do that, but fear not, that technology is not far away. In fact the lowly Nissan Leaf is one of the few with that technology. It might move the needle for more people if the electric car can transform the time of consumption of electricity.
First mass market V2G energy tariff launched in UK
Fleets and EV drivers could save €1000pa per vehicle in charging costs with bi-directional charging.www.fleeteurope.com
ICE cars gets no subsidy. I was comparing a EV car versus a bus that can carries passengers of multiple cars. For major cities, public transport is better environmental friendly than individual driving cars - no matter which..surely its better that the subsidies are directed at cars that emit zero in their local environment than ones that emit harmful cancerous emissions?
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