Electric Car Value Trade In. Please Help

[Billy_Bob]

This following link to a Newstalk article quoting a car dealer in Wicklow pretty much summarizes the reasons and current climate regarding EV trade ins.

I'm in a similar position,

I want to go back to petrol Manual without so much tech and screens that are not good to use and distracting, the missus is always getting on to me using the screen in the car but I got no choice, it's infuriating.

Anyway, with this, range and recharge times when using public chargers, broken chargers, queues you can get caught out very badly with the family on a long trip.

I can't find a dealer who will take in electric car as trade in, this is my 3rd EV never saw it this bad, depreciation was always bad but it's a lot worse now.

VW will take it but will only offer me 20 odd K. It cost 41 K new. Never again ! I'm going back to smaller petrol cars I hate those SUV yokes, don't know anyone drives them.

 

[joe sod]

the EV sales don't ramp up significantly in next few years we'll then all the government targets of no new fossil fuel cars by 2035 will be shelved, this will be all at eu level anyway where the German car industry will basically decide what cars they make and the German politicians will follow

Looks like what I predicted a few years ago has come true as the EU has shelved the plan to stop the sale of petroleum fueled cars by 2035 due to pressure from the car industry. They have basically told the politicians that their plan is undeliverable and there is no way the industry will be ready by 2035 to move away 100% from petroleum. Obviously the deteriorating geopolitical situation with China has contributed alot aswell. The EU does not want to be beholden to an authoritarian power looking to weakening Europe industrially through the sale of Chinese cars

 

[Zenith63]

We won’t know the details until it announces tomorrow, but the suggestion is that there will be a target of 90% reduction in CO2 emissions instead of 100%. The vast majority of cars sold will need to be zero-emission. I’d assume most manufacturers will not be keen to keep factories open manufacturing small numbers of petrol/diesel cars.

The big question is whether they’ll deal with the lab unicorn PHEVs or if we’re going to continue pretending they can meet that 90% target.

Overall though it seems sensible to me to diffuse what could have become a major point of contention in the EU and still end up in the same place eventually.

 

[Purple]

We won’t know the details until it announces tomorrow, but the suggestion is that there will be a target of 90% reduction in CO2 emissions instead of 100%. The vast majority of cars sold will need to be zero-emission. I’d assume most manufacturers will not be keen to keep factories open manufacturing small numbers of petrol/diesel cars.

The big question is whether they’ll deal with the lab unicorn PHEVs or if we’re going to continue pretending they can meet that 90% target.

Overall though it seems sensible to me to diffuse what could have become a major point of contention in the EU and still end up in the same place eventually

If we just drove cars which were the same size as car were 30 years ago we'd eliminate a good chunk of our CO2 emissions.
It's also worth noting that livestock farming contributes more to climate change than all forms of transport combined.
There's something decidedly unscientific about the whole concentration on EV's as a mechanism to mitigate climate change.

 

[JoeRoberts]

also worth noting that livestock farming contributes more to climate change than all forms of transport combined. the sector that provide the food and milk to feed the world ?

Dont know if that is true as a lot of dodgy transport numbers out there particularly airlines and ships.
But at least it serves a positive purpose of feeding peole rather than co2 from jetsetters on holiday.

 

[Zenith63]

It's also worth noting that livestock farming contributes more to climate change than all forms of transport combined.

Is this not the definition of whataboutism? Both are being addressed, but in different ways because we cannot make cows plugin hybrids. €100bn of the EU's agriculture CAP funding is marked climate-relevant, which is massive compared to their hundreds of millions spent on the transition to EVs.

There's something decidedly unscientific about the whole concentration on EV's as a mechanism to mitigate climate change.

100% agree with this, anybody arguing EVs are a climate change panacea is very misinformed, but is anybody that matters doing that? Yes in the odd fringe online post, but there's no evidence of it at EU level from what I see.

 

[Purple]

Dont know if that is true as a lot of dodgy transport numbers out there particularly airlines and ships.

Few things liberate the individual more than a car. If I had the choice of eating half as much red meat or taking half as many car and plane journeys I'd cut back on the red meat. Europe currently eats an average of 4 times the recommended amount of red meat for a healthy diet. This is a good read on the topic.

But at least it serves a positive purpose of feeding peole rather than co2 from jetsetters on holiday.

Red meat farming contributes around 10% of global calories and uses 40% of arable land. Jetsetters on holidays are a tiny part of global transport emissions. A little over half of global plane journeys are for tourism. Air travel accounts for 25% of transport related emissions (road transport is over 70%) so around 12-13% of transport related emissions come from tourist jetsetters.

 

[Purple]

Is this not the definition of whataboutism? Both are being addressed, but in different ways because we cannot make cows plugin hybrids.

If we look in the wrong places we won't find the right answers.

€100bn of the EU's agriculture CAP funding is marked climate-relevant, which is massive compared to their hundreds of millions spent on the transition to EVs.

Most of that €100bn is just another farming subsidy by a different name.

 

[Brendan Burgess]

Folks this thread was about a trade in value and now you have turned it into yet another argument about EVs.