Educate Together vs National Schools 2025- Junior Infants

Can non catholics go to a catholic primary school?
Anyone can go to any school, the selection fun only starts when the school is over subscribed.

BTW Teaching religion (RC) is an optional extra module in DCU. I don't think the uptake is very high. Marino has a more traditional RC background. There are no problems not doing it of you are not RC, but if you are I think it is more expected you take it.
 
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I was at a school start of year meeting last night in my local Catholic Ethos secondary school. Clearly people from a lot of different faiths in attendance (including a mother in full burka and veil) and no one took any notice. Non catholics are totally welcome there as they are in most Catholic run schools around the country (I fully accept there will be the odd exception but that is usually down to an idiot of a priest or board of management rather then anything else)

When my own kids got the sacraments, around 10-15% of their class did not and so were given other things to do when that element was being covered in the class. However, at the celebration night held afterwards in the school, all of them came in, dressed up and joined in the celebrations as did their family. Most of the secondary schools now have multi-cultural days and kids are learning more and more about other cultures and faiths.

The time spent on doctrine could easily be spent on less church specific matters and be used to talk about human rights, the planet, age appropriate of course. I know religion class has moved on a lot from learning questions and answers by rote and with a bit of tweaking it could be doctrine free but still allow for teaching morals, ethic and all the stuff that we were told was 10 commandments related but isn’t exclusively Christian
That's basically what the Junior Cert Religion and SPHE courses are all about. There is no "doctrine" thought as part of that.
Who are they supervising? The priest?!
In a nutshell, they are supervising each other and ensure that whatever is being organised for the kids is being done in a safe manner. Everyone involved should be Garda vetted, (each diocese will have it's own vetting leader who manages that, so priests, volunteers etc are all supposed to be Gardai vetted and it is taken very seriously these days in my experience)
The local parish has weekly classes organised for them etc, all very easy and parents more involved too and it’s kept separate from their actual education.
Its the way a lot of parishes are going as well these days, a growing number of them have stopped the "big day" and instead parents and kids come for their first communion when they are ready. Lack of priests means lay people are having to pick up the workload and certainly where I am, it's working very well but we have a priest who is fully bought in. What I've found interesting in the last few years is that a lot of those lay people are young people, often in their teens and early 20's. 600 teenagers from Ireland went to Rome last month for the Jubilee day.
 
Non catholics are totally welcome there as they are in most Catholic run schools around the country (I fully accept there will be the odd exception but that is usually down to an idiot of a priest or board of management rather then anything else)
Non catholics are totally welcome in EVERY Catholic run school around the country
an idiot of a priest or board of management
That's a disgusting sectarian slur, which you should withdraw.

And you clearly know nothing about how school Boards of Management function, nor the regulatory framework within which they conduct their work.
 
When my own kids got the sacraments, around 10-15% of their class did not and so were given other things to do when that element was being covered in the class.
Without wanting to drag the thread off topic the issue is why there should be religious instruction for a particular faith in any school. Because the vast majority of schools are RC the main focus is on them and their religious instruction in schools.
 
That's a disgusting sectarian slur, which you should withdraw.

And you clearly know nothing about how school Boards of Management function, nor the regulatory framework within which they conduct their work.
In my experience it's usually an idiot Principal though there's no shortage of idiot priests either.
 
Again I'll hazard a guess that you know nothing about how modern schools function and how a school principal does their job.
And you'd be wrong.
There is a secondary school in South Dublin which my uncle used to teach in which has been wrecked by a bad principal. The school which my daughter attends has seen an exodus of good teachers in the last 3 years due to a fundamentalist Catholic becoming Principal. The primary School which my eldest son attended had all sorts of problems with the elderly Parish Priest trying to circumvent the Board of Management and break the rules as set out by the Department of Education. I was on the board at the time.


No shortage of priests???
Where did I say that?


What planet are you on, in all seriousness?
The one where a bad school principal can wreck the entire school.
 
There is a secondary school in South Dublin which my uncle used to teach in which has been wrecked by a bad principal. The school which my daughter attends has seen an exodus of good teachers in the last 3 years due to a fundamentalist Catholic becoming Principal. The primary School which my eldest son attended had all sorts of problems with the elderly Parish Priest trying to circumvent the Board of Management and break the rules as set out by the Department of Education. I was on the board at the time.
You're shifting the goalposts.

Nobody claims there aren't bad principals.

The discussion was about pupils being made to feel welcome in every school.
 
That's a disgusting sectarian slur, which you should withdraw.

And you clearly know nothing about how school Boards of Management function, nor the regulatory framework within which they conduct their work.
Well I sat on a School BoM for 4 years, was chair for 2 so I do think I have a pretty good idea of how they work and the framework in which they work within. Please don't be so naive to think that every BoM sticks to the framework, if that is the case, why, for example is a school BoM in Westmeath having to pay €85k in compensation for discrimination to an applicant for a head's role?

As for voicing an opinion that some priests may be idiots, you clearly don't interact with priests enough. Most (the vast majority) are good decent men, some are morons in my opinion. That's my view, built over the years through 5 years in a priest run boarding school, having relatives who were priests. brothers and nuns, and being a weekly mass-goes and participant in my parish life. If you consider that view sectarian...... well, that's your view and in an open and free democracy, you are entitled to hold that, in just the same way I find it bizarre.
 
Well with an English born non RC kid I was politely told that my sort would be more comfortable elsewhere when I called a local school. I agreed with them. I wouldn’t want my kid near them. And that was the headmaster. I’d say that was a bad principal. With bad principles….

The world is full of idiots and some helpfully reveal that early on .

So back to the OP go visit a few schools, see if you can talk to the head/deputy and get a feel for the place.
 
Religious affiliation aside there are bad schools out there.

I suggest asking the parents of a 6th class child if the child liked his or her time at school.

Then ask if their handwriting is legible ?
 
Seriously, I don’t know why parents get so caught up about the “religious ethos” in determining their schools of choice.

Kids are kids. They couldn’t give a rat’s about religion as it’s taught in school. They get their values at home the same as they did 30 years ago.

If it’s the purpose of catholic schools to produce god-fearing, devout mass goers, I’m afraid it’s failed miserably. I myself am evidence of a policy gone wrong.

As had been said, it’s the quality and interest of a principal that ultimately makes a difference in the quality of a school. But if the same school happens to be catholic, please don’t give it a miss for this reason alone.
 
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