CSO enumerator job + public service pension query

gipimann

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The CSO have advertised for enumerators for the 2022 census today.

On reading the Information booklet provided by the CSO, I noted the following paragraphs:

Pension Abatement
If the appointee has previously been employed in the Civil or Public Service and is in receipt of a
pension from the Civil or Public Service or where a Civil/Public Service pension comes into
payment during their re-employment that pension will be subject to abatement in accordance with
Section 52 of the Public Service Pensions (Single Scheme and Other Provisions) Act 2012.

Please note: In applying for this position you are acknowledging that you understand that
the abatement provisions, where relevant, will apply. It is not envisaged that the employing
Department/Office will support an application for an abatement waiver in respect of
appointments to this position.

However, if the appointee was previously employed in the Civil or Public Service and awarded a
pension under voluntary early retirement arrangements (other than the Incentivised Scheme of Early
Retirement (ISER), the Department of Health Circular 7/2010 VER/VRS or the Department of
Environment, Community & Local Government Circular letter LG(P) 06/2013, any of which
renders a person ineligible for the competition) the entitlement to that pension will cease with effect
from the date of reappointment. Special arrangements may, however, be made for the reckoning of
previous service given by the appointee for the purpose of any future superannuation award for
which the appointee may be eligible.


I understand the Pension Abatement provisions as set out in Section 52.

The third paragraph seems to indicate that a PS employee who took cost-neutral early retirement (CNER) will have their PS pension stopped for the duration of any subsequent PS employment.

Am I correct in my interpretation of this paragraph? Is voluntary early retirement the same as CNER?

I took CNER from the civil service at the beginning of 2020. If my interpretation is correct, obtaining the enumerator post would stop my PS pension for the 10 week duration of the job.

For anyone interested, applications can be made to www.census.ie (closing date next week).
 

NoRegretsCoyote

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Am I correct in my interpretation of this paragraph? Is voluntary early retirement the same as CNER?
I don't think so.

If you search the term "voluntary early retirement" you generally get the schemes that were available to HSE and local authorities between about 2009 and 2013. I think these were time-limited, voluntary schemes that were on better terms than CNER.
 

gipimann

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Thanks, NoRegretsCoyote,

The schemes you mentioned are specifically named in the paragraph I refer to (and elsewhere in the booklet) - a person who availed of one of the incentivised schemes are excluded from applying for the job. Most PS jobs, whether permanent or temporary, exclude the "incentivised retirees".
It's the first time I've seen anything related to "voluntary early retirement" - which, in a sense, CNER is.

It's all a bit too vague for me to take a chance on, even if only for 10 weeks work.

Edit: I have emailed CSO to ask for clarification - I'll post any reply I receive.
 
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NoRegretsCoyote

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It's all a bit too vague for me to take a chance on, even if only for 10 weeks work.
I'm sure they will clarify it for you.

It's the first time I've seen anything related to "voluntary early retirement" - which, in a sense, CNER is.

It is conceptually, but it seems to refer to specific schemes.

Otherwise the terminology around this kind of stuff is a total mess and should really be rationalized. If you dig throught circulars.gov.ie you might learn a bit more.
 

gipimann

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An update.

I received a reply from the CSO this afternoon.
They have confirmed that PS employees who took CNER will have their PS pension stopped for the duration of the census enumerator contract.
 

deanpark

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You'd think the census job was a plum number. It's sort of around minimum wage €3200 top whack for 220 hours (but this is vague - as you need to get all the forms back come hell or high water!!) .

The application form is looking to see high falutin' "competencies", most elevated level of educational attainment , Irish language proficiency, references, clean drivers license etc etc - what planet are these guys on? I never realised the unfortunate census person you see scurrying around the streets in unsocial hours and at weekends etc was so qualified and talented!! No such cut and dry criteria for shoe-in political appointments.....
 
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