Moneymakeover Couple in 30s, would love to semi retire in the next 10 years

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Your age: 36

Your spouse's age:39

Number and age of children: 2 under 10

Income and expenditure

Annual gross income from employment or profession:

220k combined salary

50k combined bonus

50k approx in RSU

Monthly take-home pay: 9500 (after pension, company stock purchase)

Type of employment - e.g. Employee or self-employed.

Both employees

Employer type: e.g. public servant, private company.

Both private sector

In general are you:

(a) spending more than you earn, or

(b) saving?

We save approx 4k a month from net pay, which we DCA into broad market ETFs. We spend about 5500 a month on average, less on a typical month but higher for holidays, Xmas etc.


Summary of Assets and Liabilities

Family home value: 700k

Mortgage on family home: 0

Net equity: 700k

Cash: 100k

Company shares : 110k (only 20k vested)

Other Stocks: 333k (individual shares, ETFs)

Pensions: 425k combined between us approx 3300 goes into pension every month

Buy to Let Property value: none

Total net assets: 1.68m


Other borrowings – car loans/personal loans etc

Car is 500/m

Do you pay off your full credit card balance each month? Yes



What specific question do you have or what issues are of concern to you?

First time posting here, I would love some advice and suggestions regarding our finances. I feel extremely lucky to be in this financial position but unsure if what we are doing is the optimal strategy. Are we investing too heavily in the stock market? Is it worth looking into an investment property? I am hesitant about this as life is so hectic with work and kids already it will be hard to manage tenants etc.

Our short term goal is to move to a nicer house/neighbourhood in the next 3 years. I imagine it will cost around 1m. Longer term goal is to significantly reduce work within 10 years. Hopefully we will be able to do part time/ contract work, which should cover our expenses but won’t let us contribute to wealth building any longer. I would love some advice if anyone has done this. Has your lifestyle significantly improved? Appreciate any advice!
 
While you are obviously doing very well financially, I think you are still a fair bit away from the point where you could realistically consider (semi-)retiring in your 40s.

In your shoes, I would pay off the car loan asap and start building up your cash reserves in anticipation of the house move.

Are you both maximising your tax-relieved pension contributions? It’s hard to tell from the figures posted.
 
Why are you moving house and do you intend to fund it without a mortgage. If you're used to living on 5500 a month, how do you see your being able to fund that if you stop working in 10 years time?

Investment property is not for the faint hearted.

If the next house is the forever home you should concentrate on that for now and then think about the semi retirement. Nothing worse than stopping work at 50 and discovering you hate semi retirement and the well paid part time work is not well paid and the contract work non existent.

Children can be expensive, are you done with 2? What about boarding school, expensive hobbies or sports, third level. Have you thought about that.
 
Your age: 36

Your spouse's age:39

Longer term goal is to significantly reduce work within 10 years. Hopefully we will be able to do part time/ contract work,

Forget finances for the moment. Look at your careers. If you are planning to retire in your late 40s, it suggests that there is something wrong about your jobs or your career.

Do you need to change employers?
Do you need to change careers altogether?

The great thing is that you can easily afford for one or both of you to change to a lower paying job which would be less pressure and give you more satisfaction.

The other thing you can think of is for one of you to take a career break for a few years.

Brendan
 
It depends a lot what semi retirement looks like from an earnings and lifestyle but I imagine you can. Lots of families live and retire on half your income. Is 50% of income semi retired?

Although it’s not really clear what age your kids are, they will prob still need 5(?) years more support in 10 years time.

It’s doesn’t seem like you are maxing your pension. Open to correction. Are you prioritising investments outside your pension or did you prioritise paying off a mortgage?

Do you think your salaries will grow a lot more?

Trading up in house doesn’t really seem to align with trying to retire early. Not saying it’s not doable.
 
Trading up in house doesn’t really seem to align with trying to retire early. Not saying it’s not doable.
I was going to say something along the same lines.

Trading up seems inconsistent with an ealry retirement plan unless one or both have the ability to earn a lot more cash or accumulate it via other means( investment gains or inheritance, for example)
 
Are you both maximising your tax-relieved pension contributions? It’s hard to tell from the figures posted.
Both of you ahould be contributing 25% of salary to pension in addition to employer contributions subject to 115k salary cap
 
We're in a very similar situation with a similar goal of early / semi-retirement. A few years ahead of you. Similarly to you, we started to entertain the idea of early retirement about 10 years ahead of time. And we're now about 5 years away and well on track (assuming we don't see a dotcom bubble-style crash and stagnation. It's a possibility and would delay us for a few years).

Given your finances, investments and goals, I assume that you're familiar with how investment and pensions work in Ireland.

I also assume that you're happy to take higher risks than most people would in order to reach your semi-retirement goal (if you're a bit lucky). And I assume that you're comfortable with the idea of having to work for several more years than you hoped for if you get unlucky (e.g. in that dotcom bubble-style crash and stagnation scenario).

Your financial situation is looking solid to me. A good bit better than ours was 5 years ago TBH.

Nitpicks
  • A bit odd to see a car loan in there when you're sitting on €450k+ of cash and liquid investment. I assume it's a 0% loan? If not, I'd personally pay it off straight away as it doesn't make sense to pay interest on a loan when you're most likely earning less from your cash savings.
  • €20k of vested shares in your employer's company doesn't make sense. You're already massively over-exposed to your employer through your employment income and your €90k of unvested shares. In the grand scheme of things, €20k won't break you even if your employer goes through a bad time. But it still doesn't make sense. Sell them and always sell vested shares the moment that they vest.
  • Seeing individual shares in your investments portfolio makes me nervous. If it's a small amount of gambling money, why not. But if a significant part of your financial plan is concentrated in shares of a handful of companies, that's a massive risk IMO.
  • Pensions: I assume that you're maxing out your pension contributions (i.e. 20% up to €23k / year in your age group). The numbers you provided make it look like you're not quite maxing out but I assume it's just because of approximations / rounding. Or maybe one of you is earning more than the €115k limit while the other is earning less. But if you're not maxing out, then max out.
  • €100k of cash savings is 1.5 years of living expenses. That's a lot. There could be a reason for this (e.g. you both work for the same employer, could be made redundant simultaneously and would need 6-12 months to find jobs at a similar level of income). But unless there's a good reason, it feels like a wasted growth opportunity. If you're shooting for an ambitious early retirement date, 6 to 9 months worth of living expenses would be more than enough and the rest can earn more invested.
  • You didn't mention what your pensions are invested into. Given that you're 11 to 14 years away from the earliest time you could access them, and given that you're trying for an ambitious early-retirement, I'd have them fully invested in whatever global equity fund the pension provider provides instead of their default pension fund.
Other than that, quite frankly, it's a case of continuing to max out pensions, invest the rest in globally diversified equity and hope for a bit of luck.

Family home
I'm stating the obvious but your decision to invest €300k+ in a better family home (going from a home worth €700k to €1m) is adding a huge risk to your early-retirement plan. Should your investments not go according to plan or should you be hit by redundancy and not able to find another job with the same level of income, that decision means that you may have to work for several years more than anticipated as the cash you could have used to bridge the gap will be tied up in your family home.

Also keep in mind that a bigger, nicer home may also mean higher running and maintenance costs.

I assume you've both thought that through carefully and are happy with that compromise. It's probably one of the most impactful decisions you'll be making here.

(FWIW, we make the opposite decision and scaled back our renovation plans after taking a long hard look at what we actually enjoyed in life and realising that it was largely based around the outdoors and traveling).

Future expenses
Trying to predict your expenses in 10 years time is a game of "how long is a piece of string".

But there are a few that are worth considering now. The biggest one is the decision around the kid's education. Are you planning to send them to fee-paying schools at some point? You could definitely afford fee-paying schools - but that's unlikely to work with early-retirement.

Future income
Just like expenses, it's a case of "how long is a piece of string" when you're 10 years out. Still worth starting to think about though. You've already mentioned possible part-time / contract work and possible investment property.

I'd like to add another two ideas worth thinking about:
  • Pensions
    • You may be able to access your pension pots from age 50. In 10 years time, you'll be 1 to 4 years away from this. It doesn't mean that you have to dip into them obviously. But in the context of semi-retirement, it's a good way to be able to flex your income when needed.
    • Leave pensions untouched when your other income streams are sufficient. But it's there when you need it. Just need to plan carefully so you don't run out of money when you're fully retired obviously.
  • Rent-a-room
    • You mentioned investment property. An alternative is rent-a-room. You could make the same income (after costs and tax) from renting a single room in your home as you would renting an entire property - without the large upfront capital investment or maintenance, admin and regulatory burden.
    • In the context of semi-retirement, it's another lever that allows you to very quickly flex your income up or down when needed.
    • I realize that many people may not even entertain the idea of having a random stranger live in your family home (especially when you have kids). And we were the same. But there are ways to make it work (happy to expand how how we've made it work for us with young kids in the house). Making it work is a significant way to reduce risk of semi/early retirement.
    • The reason I'm mentioning that is that:
      • Depending on what your house is like now, you could perhaps make it work now and speed up your semi-retirement readiness.
      • If your current house doesn't make it possible but you're dead set on buying a new family home, I'd really keep rent-a-room in mind when looking for that house. It will help de-risk your plans.
A simple trick that helped us keep sane
It's impossible to predict what the next 10 years will look like for you. Our last 5 years were certainly nothing like what we imagined they would be. From unexpected redundancies, to complete career changes to covid plus a whole bunch of other unexpected event coming out of the blue, nothing went according to plan.

What has been very helpful to keep us sane is an Excel spreadsheet we created when we were 10 years out of our planned early retirement year.

It has one row per year for the next 15 years. Each row has our expected pension contribution, employer contribution, pension growth, investment contributions and investment growth after tax for that year. And then total expected pensions and investments at EoY.

Every year, at the end of the year, we go there and add our actual pension and investment amounts next to the values we predicted years ago. That allows us to see how far ahead or behind of schedule we are.

When the redundancy year hit, despite that year being an almost complete write-off from a pension and investment contribution PoV, the sheet showed us that we were, in fact, still exactly on-track for our early retirement plans - almost to the cent - as we had done better than anticipated the 2 years before.

Right now, we're a good bit ahead of plan. If another lost year happened, we'd still be ahead of plan. If markets crashed by 50% tomorrow, we'd be 3 years behind schedule. No big deal.

This massively helps put things into perspective and avoid over-dramatizing life events and market swings.

Finally, as someone else said, focus on wellness and happiness today too. Whether or not semi-retirement can actually happen in 10 years time, no-one knows. But the best situation you can be in is that it doesn't matter because you found a place where you're happy either way.
 
From a non financial aspect its not ideal for your teenage kids to see their parents retired while still at school.
You will also have pressure/resentment of wanting to do things because you are retired but cant do due to comittments with kids activities.
Might be better to downsize to part time jobs.
 
You will also have pressure/resentment of wanting to do things because you are retired but cant do due to comittments with kids activities.

Not sure I buy that.

I want to do things now but have commitments with kids activities.

I don’t resent my son.

Did the footsteps include a nice inheritance or piece of investment luck/timing to get them into current situation ?

Fairer point in my option. They might see it as their parents lucked out rather than worked hard.

While they obviously have good salaries it does appear to me that they have had some good fortune. Even if it’s just right career at the right time or bought a house at the right time etc. Basically something that you can’t just tell your kids do this and you could retire early.

Still not sure that’s a good enough reason not to do early retirement!
 
Excel spreadsheet we created when we were 10 years out of our planned early retirement year

Sounds like a great idea. Can I ask how you get a number?

Is it a bit of an iterative process where you try and find the sweet spot between age and how much you will have?

For example I would like 50 but doubt that will work.

65 is longer than I would like and all going to plan will be good then.

So what’s the youngest age where I will be okay?
 
Might be better to downsize to part time jobs
I would agree with that. With children probably still around in 10 years, you might be limited to what you can do and still have to run around on a children/teenagers timetable.
 
Disagree 100%. A lot of people get very little fulfilment from their careers and never will.

Not sure what part of what I have said that you are disagreeing with.

Of course, a lot of people get little fulfilment from their job. If they are very well paid and can afford it, they should consider a change of job and career.
 
Sounds like a great idea. Can I ask how you get a number?

Is it a bit of an iterative process where you try and find the sweet spot between age and how much you will have?
4% rule for a 30-year retirement (ages 65-95) is your starting point, or 25x annual expenses (bearing in mind that taxes are expenses). Interestingly, it doesn’t scale linearly due to compounding and more time in the market, so from age 50 something like 30-32 year’s worth of expenses (3.25% withdrawal rate or thereabouts) will last a 45-year retirement.
 
With annual household expenditure of €66k, that means you are looking at a combined pot in excess of €2m, plus a paid for home.

Could that be achieved in 10 years? Maybe.
 
Sounds like a great idea. Can I ask how you get a number?

Is it a bit of an iterative process where you try and find the sweet spot between age and how much you will have?
It's 100% an iterative process. You can't predict what your expenses and income will look like in 10+ years time or even what the world will look like then (maybe some people have a very predictable personal and professional life and can actually predict 10+ years out. But I know that trying to predict where we'll be and what we'll be doing in two year's time, let alone 10 year's time, would be an exercise in futility).

So we did a bunch of back-of-the-napkin calculation and arrived at a figure of €1m to €2m needed for early retirement. If that looks like a very wide range, that's because it is. That's as precise as we could get when trying to predict an unpredictable future.

How long would it take us to get there? Somewhere between 10 and 18 years with reasonably conservative assumptions.

What income would that get us? I personally never cared much for the 4% rule as the idea of a fixed withdrawal rate never make much sense for the way we live our lives. But as a finger-in-the-air way to calculate how long a piece of string is, it's as good as any rule.

I typically use a range of:
  • 3.5%: realistic conservative
  • 4%: realistic if comfortable with flexing your expenses as needed
  • 5%: optimistic if comfortable with risk and with significantly flexing your expenses as needed
So that range of pension pots gives us a range of income of €35k to €100k / year. It's a very wide range - but when you have no idea what expenses you'll have and what other income you'll get, that's as best as it gets.

So that was our starting point. No need to over-think it IMO.

Fast forward 5 years and we're now starting to have a better idea of what life might look like for us in 5 years time. It's looking like an income of €60k would provide us with a very comfortable early/semi retirement - but that will have to flex anywhere between €40k and €70k depending on how our other income streams go.

And there again, with the AI hype, wave after wave of redundancies, insane stock market valuations and geopolitical instability, the next 5 years are looking as chaotic and unpredictable as any 5 year period in history. Where will we be, what will our kids be doing and what will the world look like in 5 year's time: I haven't got the faintest clue.

All I know is that the key to de-risking early retirement (and life in general) is: flexible expenses and flexible income. That's why I focused much of my comments on the OP's situation on this.

I see a lot of friends and colleagues with similar levels of income get sucked into locking their money away in fancy cars, fancy houses and private schools. That really clips your wings. Similarly, one can hope that part-time or contract work and stock market returns will provide you with the income you need. And it might. But you'll be in a much stronger position if you can pull in other income streams as and when needed like e.g. rent-a-room and AirBnb income.
 
I did a key post on the topic a few years ago.
It sets out the principles.

 
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