Moneymakeover Catch-up mode or already fine? Sanity check wanted (late 40s couple, no kids)

Still reckon your blowing at least a grand per week on whatever
Same, call me sceptical but the outgoings don't tally with the explanations. The outgoings are fine for the status quo as they're high earners and not spending more than they earn. But if OP wants to optimise for quitting their high stress job it needs to be examined in detail.

At the moment it reads like the dril tweet "food 200, Data 150, Rent 800, Candles 3,600, Utilities 150, Someone please help me budget this."
 
To be clear, we do have a detailed household budget and know exactly where everything goes. There are no real leaks or mystery outgoings. Our ~€7k/month spend covers: mortgage (€1,735 including overpayment), car loan repayment (€195), all utilities, fuel, insurance (life, home, car), grocery shopping (we prioritise quality here organic/local/Irish - not apologising for it, but it is a conscious choice, albeit an expensive one), gym/PT memberships, a small monthly medical buffer, sinking funds for car and property maintenance, inexpensive hobbies, family gifts (large extended family - lots of occasions), and a holiday provision
You absolutely don't need to apologize for your spending, you earn it and you are in a very comfortable position. Knowing what your spending figure is gives great confidence to your retirement planning. @Cervelo had a great post a few years ago on his early retirement and spending journey that would be worth reading.

And to put it in perspective, if your spend was €70k annually +/- €2.5k, you might be happy with that estimate. But controlling your spending to €67.5k vs letting it drift to €72.5k is a big difference to your target pension pot. That €5k swing is €200k in your pension pot. How long does it take to add that €200k to your pot? How much sooner could you retire or scale back if you know you don't need that spend.

With that said, there are always ways to cut spending without impacting your quality of life. You don't need to make sacrifices to your standard of living but you definitely can find ways to get better value for the same thing.

As a very simple example, as a healthy individual in my 20s, I rarely needed a GP visit or prescription. Fast forward to a family of four with two kids and our spend, particular in winter months, can be significant. I wasn't aware of the DPS (Drug Payment Scheme) until a public health nurse told us about it. I assumed it was means tested but it's not. It has saved us hundreds by capping that spend at €80/m
 
Thanks all – I can see a consistent theme coming through on the level of spending, so I’ve taken another proper look and will clarify a couple of things.

On cash / savings
I didn’t present this well initially. I have Revolut pockets for sinking funds and didn’t include them in the €33.4k figure as I mentally treat that money as already allocated. But for this discussion, that’s misleading.

So in total we have roughly:
  • €15.6k Revolut
  • €15.3k AIB fixed
  • €4.1k AIB saver
  • ~€4.8k sinking funds
  • ~€3.4k my husband has saved separately
So c. €43k all in.

The sinking funds are something we only set up this year and I do think we may have slightly overestimated some of them – for example property maintenance. We replaced the boiler a couple of years ago, so I’m hoping there won’t be anything major in the short term. My thinking was to let that build up in the background and potentially use it for upgrades over time, but it’s probably worth sense-checking the level. Unfortunately I do need the medical buffer sinking fund and over the past few years have spent on GPs/consultants/bloods/tests/physio – I do have good health insurance through work, and do claim back on whatever I can – but don’t factor that in to the budget as I can’t be bothered with the admin.

On the spending – I’ve broken it out below for transparency
(I was hesitant to do this as I didn’t want to get into a debate on every item, but given the feedback it’s probably more useful to show it in greater detail.)

Core monthly spend:
  • Mortgage: €1,735
  • Life insurance: €79
  • Car loan: €196
  • Pharmacy: €30
  • Gas: €74
  • Electricity: €94
  • Broadband/TV: €77
  • Phones: €55
  • Fuel: €278
  • Groceries: €1,000
  • Gym: €445
  • Netflix/Spotify: €34
  • Launderette: €30
  • Fun (coffee/takeaway/cinema/breakfast etc.): €170
  • Charity: €46
Monthly sinking funds (irregular/annual costs):
  • Property tax: €31
  • House insurance: €49
  • Property maintenance: €235
  • Bins: €24
  • TV licence: €14
  • Software: €15
  • Furniture/appliances: €60
  • Car tax: €39
  • Car insurance: €60
  • Car maintenance: €120
  • Parking/tolls: €35
  • AA: €21 (will cancel)
  • Medical/dentist/physio: €150
  • Bank charges: €24
  • Christmas: €25
  • Sports/events: €85 (participation – e.g. events like Hyrox/Tryka/local races rather than attending matches)
  • Holidays: €486
  • Family gifts: €350
  • Music: €173 (lessons + saving towards a piano, not concerts)
  • Clothes: €160
  • Hillwalking club membership: €12
  • Husband’s hobbies: €250


    A few points from the replies:
That pension move is a good move, though I still think you might also consider my suggestion, given bonuses are rarely guaranteed, into the future etc.
@MrEarl – point taken on the pensions and the reliance on bonus, thank you. We’ve already started adjusting that so that we’re closer to maxing contributions on a monthly basis rather than relying on a year-end top-up, and will continue in that direction.
Are there also regular taxis being used, or trips to expensive concerts, theatres, health spas, club subs, clothes etc. ?
We almost never use taxis, and aren’t big spenders on nights out/concerts etc. But you will see from above that spending on groceries, gym, and gifts is very high which is a conscious choice. Our hobbies are probably also more material than I initially described. We may also have over-allocated to the holiday sinking fund – in reality we haven’t been spending that much on travel – may do a nice trip in a few years if it builds up, or may divert it.
For example, I did an "instant" transfer from Revolut to another bank last month for about €2,000 which was blocked by their system as suspicious. In spite of daily chats with customer service and providing all the documents requested, it was held for 2 weeks.
@arbitron – that Revolut experience is fairly eye-opening. Good to know and we’ll factor that into how we structure the emergency fund.
Say you spend €1K per month on family events - travel, clothes, gifts, food etc. perhaps that is all revolving around nieces and nephews and in 10 years time they have grown beyond expecting gifts from Auntie StepbyStep. Then you will need €1K less per month in income to spend and you can direct it towards paying your health insurance (if changing role or retiring) etc.
@Clamball – your point about some costs being life-stage related is fair. Things like family gifts are high now (a big family and many nieces and nephews!) and probably won’t always be at this level, but they’re not going away any time soon either! But good flag for us to factor in when working on our retirement figure.
Why did you do rent a room?
@Bronte – on the rent-a-room, that was a decision mid last year once we started looking more seriously at our pensions and overall position, and trying to find ways to accelerate things a bit.
And to put it in perspective, if your spend was €70k annually +/- €2.5k, you might be happy with that estimate. But controlling your spending to €67.5k vs letting it drift to €72.5k is a big difference to your target pension pot. That €5k swing is €200k in your pension pot. How long does it take to add that €200k to your pot? How much sooner could you retire or scale back if you know you don't need that spend.

With that said, there are always ways to cut spending without impacting your quality of life. You don't need to make sacrifices to your standard of living but you definitely can find ways to get better value for the same thing.
@_OkGo_ - this really made me think! We’re starting to see more clearly now that even relatively small differences in annual spend compound into quite significant differences in the required pension over time. We haven’t fully worked through what we would actually change in practice, but it has been useful to start thinking about the opportunity cost of maintaining our current lifestyle versus building the option to step back earlier.
Knowing what your spending figure is gives great confidence to your retirement planning. @Cervelo had a great post a few years ago on his early retirement and spending journey that would be worth reading.

Would love to read this. Does anyone know how I can search for this? There are so many posts!


I’ll be honest, it does feel a bit uncomfortable putting it all out there like this. We don’t feel like we live a particularly luxurious lifestyle, but we fully recognise that we’re in a position to spend on things that matter to us and that we don’t have significant financial pressure. At the same time, part of the reason for posting is that we’ve started to question whether, given our incomes and no kids, we should feel further ahead than we do – particularly on pensions.

It has been interesting to see the reaction to the spending. Even if it doesn’t feel excessive to us day to day, it may well be high in a broader context. Also, on reflection, the €1,000/month savings figure is probably a bit conservative – we do tend to have some surplus left in the account most months rather than running it exactly to zero. Combined with potentially over allocating to some of the sinking funds, there may be scope to increase savings. If so, we’ll direct that towards the car loan first, then pensions, then mortgage overpayment.

Thanks again – I do appreciate all the input. And the patience. I’m new to this forum. Was browsing a bit over the last couple of days since I posted and can see that a lot of similar questions keep coming up, so appreciate the time people have taken to engage.
 
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@Bronte – on the rent-a-room, that was a decision mid last year once we started looking more seriously at our pensions and overall position, and trying to find ways to accelerate things a bit
Appreciate your long response to all of us. Which I’ve taken on board.

This is ostensibly a money advise forum. You don’t need financial advice. That’s why I asked you about “rent a room”.

You’ve two fine incomes. No stupid debts. You both have chosen to spend on having a nice life based on what those incomes give you. There’s nothing ridiculous in your spending considering your incomes. Sure the car loan is a no brainier. Ditto maxing pensions. You already know this.

My advice. If what you both are doing is making you both happy, then stick with it. If it’s not, and here I’ll be personal, been on this forum a long time, then if not, change what you are doing. But early retirement is not the holy grail you think it is. I’m struck by the actual lack of holidays actually.

The reaction on here to your spending is normal, this is AAM. Please keep enjoying your coffees, sports and music. And claim back medical expenses.
 
That's a very clear breakdown and nothing wild on that list.

It's good to have this as a snapshot so you can look back each year and see if it's similar or if anything new has crept in.

Now you have bared your financial soul here it may make it easier to think about and discuss it in real life too.
 
You absolutely don't need to apologize for your spending
Well said @_OkGo_, couldn't agree more
I think it's important as commentators here that we try not to criticize another persons spending habits or the amount that they spend
Yes we can offer advise on how to cut down on spending and offer cheaper or better alternatives that offer better value or less waste
But at the end of the day they earned it and so get to choose how to spend it no matter what thoughts go through our minds

A word came up in another similar thread the other week "justify" and it's something we all do when it comes to spending
The other day my TV broke so I immediately went out and spent €2.5k on a new one, some people will say "that's about right, price wise!!"
while others will be "OMG how much and what's the difference between that and the €800 one??"
Now I can "justify" that spend on so many fronts but the one that maters the most is I can afford it
and secondly it's not impinging on any of my other spending in any shape or form essential or not

And that's where tracking all of my spending has proven invaluable over the years because it gives me the knowledge to make these decisions

Would love to read this. Does anyone know how I can search for this? There are so many posts!
 
On the spending – I’ve broken it out below for transparency
(I was hesitant to do this as I didn’t want to get into a debate on every item, but given the feedback it’s probably more useful to show it in greater detail.)
Fair play @StepByStep , that is a really great breakdown and I hope you now realise that by doing so you are already in a much better place. Stripping out your mortgage and car loan, your annual spend is ~€58k. Even allowing for some new costs in retirement like paying your own health insurance, there will also be other costs that fall away like fuel as you'll no longer be doing a regular commute.

I think your initial €70k estimate was overly cautious, you are probably more in the €60-65k range which is great. You will easily be covering that by your late 50's and can really consider early retirement or stepping back as you see fit

The last time I'll say it (I promise :)) but there is still more value to be had from what you are spending money on without impacting your lifestyle. The obvious one is the gym/PT spend. March in and demand a discount for being a loyal customer. You are paying €5.5k so you should be able to get 10-20% off.

So c. €43k all in.

The sinking funds are something we only set up this year
I personally dislike pots/pockets. It doesn't matter where it sits, whats important is the total and €43k is about right for you. Generally speaking the emergency fund rule of thumb is 3-6 month of expenses which is €20-40k for you.

Your money management is excellent but a better approach to you is having access to credit (without necessarily using it). You should both have credit cards with decent limits and both have credit union accounts for easy access to loans. If there was ever a time when you actually had a shock bill of €20-30k, you can easily manage it. You don't need to build up small individual sinking funds.

I would be inclined to gradually reduce this and see how comfortable you are at €40, 35, 30, 25k. Starting at your next paycheck, get rid of the remaining car loan, you really don't need it. The following month, make your AVC's for last year. After that, knock €5k off your mortgage.

This may not be for everyone but a few years ago we stopped "saving". Instead we track our account values. We are very comfortable with what we spend money on so don't need a designated savings pot. If account values get a little too high, the money is paid against a mortgage or used for AVC's etc

Income and expenditure,
Annual gross income from employment or profession: €81,463
Annual gross income of spouse/partner: €102,000 plus bonus (this year was €12k, but varies)
Monthly take-home pay: €8,373 (after pension contributions; I contribute 1017, my spouse contributes 1423)
Rent a room income: €5,400 (€600/month for academic year)

Type of employment: Both employees in private sector
Something maybe not mentioned yet but are you taking advantage of all work related perks if they are available? ESPP's, wellness benefits, work related discounts etc

Pensions:
If jumping up to the regular 25% contribution is too much of a shock, then ease yourself up to it. Add 1-2% extra each month after you have made the AVC's for last year. The regular contribution is also better for budgeting as you don't need to make a large AVC out of net pay and claim back the refund.

You didn't mention an employer contribution, is there one? If not, maybe it is something for your next salary/year end review

Maybe you already know this but your allowable pension contribution is 25% of total remuneration. If you check your EDS from revenue, your gross pay is base salary, BIK's, health, bonus and any other income benefits you receive. It's not just 25% of base pay

Family home mortgage information
Lender: ICS
Interest rate: 2.1%
Type of interest rate: Fixed for 5 years
If fixed, what is the term remaining of the fixed rate: 14 months
Remaining term: 12 years 2 months
Monthly repayment: €1735 (this is an overpayment of €150)
Minor point but your mortgage figures seem a little off. For a monthly payment of €1585 @2.1%, your term should be slightly shorter or your principal should be slightly higher.

Again, you don't need to do anything drastic with your mortgage, with the €150 overpayment you are already on track to clear it in just under 11 years. But if you do decide to increase this after pension contributions, you can use this calculator to look at the impact of accelerated payments or ad hoc lump sum payments

I’ll be honest, it does feel a bit uncomfortable putting it all out there like this. We don’t feel like we live a particularly luxurious lifestyle, but we fully recognise that we’re in a position to spend on things that matter to us and that we don’t have significant financial pressure.
Continue spending on what's important to you. You are in a great position to achieve your goals and do what you want to do in life. You have the means to do a lot of things. Being uncomfortable is a growth mindset. You can now proceed with clarity and confidence.

The changes you need to make are small and "tidying up around the edges". Like your pension, you are already maxing AVC's but switching to maxing regular contribution just makes budgeting more straightforward.
 
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