Can I get second snag done on house

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I am about to sign contracts for house but I want engineer to go back to make sure everything on snag list has been completed. I cannot get in contact with the original guy so i am thinking of hiring another guy to go through snag again as i have a feeling that first guy may have missed stuff as he was also doing structural survey.
If the second guy comes up with stuff that wasn't on the original list, does the seller have to fix these snags??
 
Ideally the first engineer/surveyor should check the snag list. Is there no way you can get in contact with him?

In general, be 100% happy about everything BEFORE signing contracts. Be very fussy!!
 
I have rang him several times, sent him texts and also emailed him. I think he missed stuff on the house, like I spotted a broken tile that he did not spot. I think he is a good engineer and he did a good report but doesn't have eye for detail.
 
I think he is a good engineer ... but doesn't have eye for detail.
Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. And if he's not answering your calls etc. then it doesn't sound very professional unless there are extenuating circumstances to explain this.

Assuming you can get access to the property then you can do as many surveys and snag lists as you want and make whatever you want a condition of the sale. Of course the seller may or may not agree to be bound by such conditions. Either way do make sure that you are satisfied that you have done a thorough survey/snagging of the property before buying and that any snags that you accept, if any, are just minor ones.
 
I think he is good at finding the bigger problems but has missed some of the smaller stuff like the cracked tile and gaps between wall and sockets.

I am just going to hire someone that specialises in doing snags as it would put my mind to rest.
 
I think he is good at finding the bigger problems but has missed some of the smaller stuff like the cracked tile and gaps between wall and sockets.
OK - maybe to be fair to him he's just concentrating on the significant structural issues and not so much smaller and relatively innocuous snags that can easily be put right once you move in? In my opinion it would be seem a bit petty and pointless to hold up a sale over something like a cracked tile or small gaps such as you mention. But you're the buyer so it's your call.
 
I agree with Clubman that there is a contradiction in terms here, but it may not rest solely with the professionalism or otherwise of the engineer.

Engineers are competent in two main disciplines in the building industry

- Structural and Civil - which includes Roads and Carriageway design
- Mechanical and Electrical (aircon, heating, plumbing, water supply, electrical)

Some practices also develop competences in or affiliations with specialists to advise on

- Environmental Impacts
- Water Quality
- Hydrogeology (water movement through the soil)
- Sustainable energy use, monitoring and control.

They are entirely competent within their own fields.
They may not be competent in the specialist field of House Design and Inspections as noted below -

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The "ordinary" structural engineer is competent to comment on Structure, Part A of the building regulations.
If you ask for a certificate to include in your Schedule A Assurance, they will invariably stick to Part A and will exclude Part B insofar as it goes, even though Structural Elements must attain specified fire ratings.

Long story short, the detail inspection of houses is not their forté.
On my inspections, I may recommend that an engineer do a follow up inspection when I see major settlement cracks or signs of poor drainage or flooding on site or potential flooding locally.

This is what a "Structural Survey" amounts to - a review of major building elements.
It can be useful in the review of very old buildings where time and weather have done their worst over the years.
However many engineers are not well-versed in the use of lime mortar, stonework, or the microclimates that affect structural timbers in a house and are likely to recommend replacement with bits of steel or dry packed concrete - interventions that could reduce the value of a listed building.

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A Structural Survey is not a House Survey, which is a document that should encompass everything in second hand houses, including areas where the houses are no compliant with the Building Regulations.
Such houses are usually better built and/or in better condition that some period houses (but like cars, depend for this on the TLC they received during their lifetime) and so less likely to suffer major settlement or drainage faults.
Ventilation, drainage, lack of insulation, lack of access for disabled are all issues which could be commented on.
On newer properties full compliance with all TWELVE building regulations should be sought

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Neither House Surveys nor Structural Surveys are Snag Lists, which are usually performed on new or relatively new houses on first or short second occupancy.
Here details finishes are called up, full compliance with all TWELVE building regulations is assumed, - but should be checked for - and documents like Opinions of Compliance, Schedule A Assurances , Commissioning Certificates and Guarantees should all be sought and checked on behalf of the purchaser.
Specifically, Schedule A Assurances should not be limited to just the Engineer in relation to structure and estate drainage, but should include certificates from duly appointed officers of
- the main contractor
- the plumber
- the electrician
- the MVHR installer
as a minimum, asserting that the parts of the house they built are carried out in accordance with the requirements of the building regulations.

These should be followed up with guarantees for specialist windows, doors, insulation, fire detection and alarm systems, fire doors, fire sealing, etc.

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You should DEMAND these assurances if this is a new property.

As for what your engineer did - I'm not sure he carried out a proper inspection.
You shouldhave used someone who could perform a snag list and carry our a visual inspection to check compliance.
Visual inspections are not the lame ducks some people are making them out to be and suspicions raised during them can be followed through.
This doesn't mean entire sections of wall or floor need to be removed - for example, the lack of a radon gas vent extract pipe speaks volumes to a competent building professional.

Competent building professionals for this kind of survey would include experienced architects and building surveyors.


ONQ

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All advice on AAM is remote from the situation and cannot be relied upon as a defence or support - in and of itself - should legal action be taken.
Competent legal and building professionals should be asked to advise in Real Life with rights to inspect and issue reports on the matters at hand.
 
Thanks for your very detailed response ONQ. I will definitely get a separate snage done now.

The engineer did complete what he called a snag but as you have pointed out, it is not his area of expertise.

I would like to get all issues fixed prior to signing the dotted line.
 
BTW, LiveForTheWe -

- not everybody may agree with my breakdown of the different kinds of survey, but I've thought about what people do, what they say they'll do, what they're competent to do and what they're trained to do.

It seems to stack up. :)

Let us know how you get on...
 
Just to provide an update. My engineer got back to me and went back to property to follow up on snag items at no extra cost. He redeemed himself.

Alot of snag items were not done..grrr.

Another thing was that the tradesmen actually created more issues when they fixed another. i spotted a number of holes in walls where the brought through wiring and pipes...surely they will have to fix these.
 
The process of snagging falls into major and minor repairs.
If something is left out that should have been done this may require a major repair.
The work done to carry out this repair now comes under the remit of the overall snagging process.

Poor follow up workmanship can occur when a trade goes back to fix a problem.
Some tradesmen are simply not suited to carry out work to finished house interiors.
They have little or no competence in the "making good" work to complete their repair.

Such "poor finishers" are fine, if used for 1st, second and even final fix, but are not competent to carry out final decoration on a patch repair basis.
Their work must be followed by a further snagging operation by a building professional and then "touch up" repairs carried out by the painters and decorators.
The builder should have a finishing foreman in place to oversee and ensure that the carrying out of making good work after the repair is executed to a proper standard.

ONQ.
 
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