Can bank get an attachment of earnings orders (AEO's) for debt in this juristiction?

mprsv1000

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If the bank sell your house and there is say €200,000 outstanding (which you can't pay due to a job loss and partner severe pay cuts) can a bank seek an attachment of earnings for outstanding amount i.e x amount per month outof yer pay from source.

Just wondering if its not better to emergrate rather than have a huge debt arounf yer neck for the rest of your life?
 
They are extremely rare if they even happen at all, as only the official assignee in bankruptcy can make such an order. The standard practice for a civil debt is to drag you down to the district court for an instalment order to me made. You make the payments yourself to the bank.

If you are never returning and you want to disappear for good then emigration is the way to go.
 
Emigration does not solve the problem.

You would also have to go bankrupt in the country to which you emigrate.

Brendan
 
From:

Spotlight: Debt_Part_3-_The_imprisonment_of_civil_debtors (discussion of alternatives).pdf (application/pdf Object)

2. Once a judgment debt has been obtained a creditor can then issue proceedings seeking to enforce the judgment.

There are a number of enforcement options open to him, including:

● Instalment proceedings;
● Committal proceedings;
● Registration of the judgment;
● Bankruptcy proceedings;
● Execution against goods;
● Judgment mortgages;
● Appointment of a receiver by way of equitable execution;
Garnishee/Attachment of debt proceedings;
● An injunction.
...Stakeholders have been calling for reform, and in particular for the introduction of an alternative method of enforcement i.e. attachment of earnings orders (AEOs). The banks have indicated their support to finding alternatives to debtor imprisonment and have welcomed the LRC consultation paper38.

AEOs would offer creditors at least some chance of recouping their money, albeit in small amounts over long periods.

Attachment of Earnings
As far back as 1998 there were calls for the introduction of an attachment of earnings (AEO) procedure as part of the Irish debt enforcement process 39.
An AEO is directed against the debtor’s employer requiring them to deduct specified payments from the debtor’s salary. These payments are then used to repay the debt owed to the creditor. The order will direct that the debtor’s income not be reduced below a certain amount taking into account his day to day needs, these are deemed protected earnings.

AEOs are widely used in the debt enforcement processes of other European countries 40.

According to various commentators in the U.K. AEOs are and have always been extremely popular as an enforcement mechanism because they are easily made, low cost and effective 41. Their effectiveness must be balanced however with the fact that AEOs may result in negative consequences for an employee in terms of promotion etc, and unlike other enforcement mechanisms where an AEO is in force a creditor can not pursue any other means of enforcement.

An alternative to imprisonment
AEOs have been available in Ireland as an alternative to imprisonment when seeking to enforce maintenance orders in family law proceedungs since 1976 42. Originally these orders could only be sought when a party defaulted in relation to a maintenance order, now both orders can be granted simultaneously.

There is mixed feedback on the effectiveness of AEOs. According to the LRC, anecdotal evidence suggests they are working reasonably well. FLAC in their 2003 Report An End based on a Means43 examined AEOs and did not recommend their introduction in the debt enforcement process. They did however accept that attachment is infinitely preferable to imprisonment and that if imprisonment for non-payment of an instalment order is to be brought to an end, then from the creditor’s perspective, a new method of enforcement would need to be put in place.

Accordingly, they put forward a number of proposals for an attachment of earnings model:
● attachment of earnings should not be permitted in relation to social welfare payments;
● attachment of earnings orders should not be granted at the same time as instalment orders, so that debtors have the opportunity of meeting the terms of the instalment order prior to their employer being contacted given the negative consequences that might result;
● where an attachment of earnings order is sought by a creditor, a court can look at the entirety of the debts owed by a debtor and order a consolidated AEO.

AEOs are not new to the Irish legal system and have proven more successful than committal orders in family law proceeding 44.
 
Emigration does not solve the problem.

You would also have to go bankrupt in the country to which you emigrate.

Brendan

Assuming I was buying another property and needed to have a credit check here, but even in this instance bankrupt laws are FAR more forgiving than in Ireland
A recent case in spain where a judge found against a bank seeking to make a lendee pay back money after the bank had sold house for half of outstanding mortgage, stating the lender took the risk in lending to the lendee and it was their reckless lending practices that lead ultimately to losses.

Ireland's debt legal system is set to hang a noose around a lendee's neck other countries show more social awarness of the plight and injustices of such practices, and a willingness to alow them to breath again after a relatively short period of time.
So YES emergration does solve the problem, my children will have a life (and heating)
 
A recent case in spain where a judge found against a bank seeking to make a lendee pay back money after the bank had sold house for half of outstanding mortgag

Absolutely no relevance to Ireland.
 
But should it be? What lessons are the banks going to learn from this? Its a two way street.


True if they can look at models used in other countries to solve banking crisis why not look at mortgage bedt which is heading to a second crisis for the Irish economy, shorted sighted policies that don't take into consideration the wider picture and all possible ramifications is what got the country into this mess, with no small help from our equally wreckless euro neighbours, good to see a judge standing up for the common man:D
 
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