Business Opportunity to be had!! (Ignite Leisure)

paul24

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Just had a call from a friend who asked me to join him this Sat or Sunday afternoon in the Regency or Great Southern for a couple of hours for a "great business opportunity" It only costs €15 and you must wear a shirt and tie. He wouldn't reveal any more and said he had already joined up to this opportunity with a couple of his family and friends.

He refused to divulge any further information and said that the people at this "conference" explained everything and that this is the way he was invited. It was easier for them to explain everything about this opportunity.

Is my friend gone completely mad or which scam is this.
Does anybody know anymore about this or is everybody sworn to secrecy and we will all meet to realise our fortunes this weekend !!

Paul
 

ClubMan

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Re: Business Opportunity to be had!!

paul24 said:
you must wear a shirt and tie.

And nothing else? Any chance it's a swingers' party? I might go if it is.
 

patspost

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Prob a catalogue based pyramid system, cleaneze or amway.
Might be worth going along for the laugh, note that they will be vague on what you have to do, e.g. cold calling door to door will prob not be mentioned, instead will prob focus on getting othre people to do the cold calling i.e. recruiting more.
Worth looking at the slick sales techneques they use and how the main guy is able to remember everybodies name etc. Try and think of a few awkward questions to ask and look for specific answers, if he doesn't have the answers ask if anybody else involved in the room has them.
 

demoivre

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Anything that sounds too good to be true usually is !!!
 

SineWave

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Re; "it might be worth going along for the laugh".

At €15, I wonder who'll be laughing?
 
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daltonr

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I'd pay €15 to go along and ask some pointed questions and see how they react. Remember if they can't answer your question it looks bad to all of the people there who might join up.

-Rd
 

ClubMan

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Why not book the function room next to them and put up a sign saying "even greater business opportunity" (and maybe something else convincing like "earn €€€€€€s [from the comfort of your own home]" and only charge €14 in?
 

Lemurz

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Some nerve charging €15 for guests!

Most pyramid scams let guests see their business presentation for free.

I love to go and ask for a money back guarantee if it's so amazing!!!
 

Decani

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I think the idea is that you tell people how to start off a pyramid scheme themselves and charge people in to your presentation. Which is going to be about how to set up your own pyramid scheme.
 

SineWave

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I know a guy who went along a few years ago and was told by the presenter that he himself had made a fortune.

My friend questioned him afterwards and was given a tape (copied probably worth 99p) to listen to.

After a few weeks he got a phone call requesting the (99p) tape back if he wasn't going to sign up!
 
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digidy21

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I was just at one of these meetings yesterday in a hotel in donabate. I was invited in the exact same way Paul24 was. I was invited by a friend who was involved and had got his family involved ...blah, blah, blah ...€15, wear a shirt & tie...blah, blah... oppurtunity not to be missed....blah, blah. I repeatedly asked him was it Pyramid scheme and he swore blind it wasnt. and of course guess what??

The company called themselves Ignite Leisure and it had all the markings of a very well organised scam. they boasted of great results in the UK market place and how they now were now trading in Ireland, UK, Holland, Canada and.......... Iran. Basically it was a ten minute presentation on the 'AMAZING' not to be missed oppurtunity. and then 3 hours on how to sign other people up. they even boasted about being affiliated with Timesahare Companies, not something most people would want to admit. they had amazing figures showing travel prices are rising and how expensive they will get in the next 3 years. had to laugh at that one. There were even extremely believable guys giving testimonials.funny though that with all the money they all made not one of them splashed out the money on a decent suit for the presentation. you would think that making all this free money you would at least dress to impress?? seems not though. they are so rich now they just dont care.

needlles to say when they handed out the contarcts to sign away our €2500 we decided it was time to leave. but not before we were repeatedly asked why we would not sign and 'what the problem was'.

I have spent this morning searhing the web and have found nothing but warnings.It seems that they are well known across the UK and change their name on a regular basis. this is my favourite:

http://plant.scam.com/search.php?searchid=284646


Bottom line, STAY WELL AWAY,except for comedy value. In fairness it was a great show for €15. You get comedy at its best, from real actors.

My favourite quote form the presentation:

"if you dont have €2500, then borrow it from someone who does and give it to us. then if you didnt have it to begin with and you dont have it now then whats the problem". Classic


digidy21
 

GreatDane

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I'd wonder what kind of "friend" would phone you up with this kind of stuff, tell you wear a shirt and tie, pay up €15 and nothing else :(

... I'd phone them back and give them a telling off, ask them if your friendship is really worth anything to them etc (I guess it is worth something to them .. probably part of the €15 :( ;))



ClubMan said:
And nothing else? Any chance it's a swingers' party? I might go if it is.


ROFL :D :D :D

Would you rather a shirt & tie, or a toga party out of interest Clubman ? ;)




Regards


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http://www.rpoints.com/newbie
 
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digidy21

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I was pretty pissed off with this 'friend' alright but to be honset I was more embarassed for him that he had bought into this. I reckon when he saw how pissed I was at him taking me to this he realised just how much he has been scammed. I think the last thing he needed was crap from me to top it off.
 

Jister

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I was at an Amways one once. 4 couples in a friends house and luckily we all saw through it (the guy doing it was a friend of a friend). Had a few drinks afterwards once he left and had a good laugh about it.

Anyway the guy doing the presentation was a real smoothie and it sounded like a great idea (until we thought about it!)

However he had two "apprentices" with him who he had signed up. I felt sorry for them because they hadn't a clue how silly they were.
 
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doggiesherd

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I was at the exact same thing that Digidgy21 was on, it is a really well organised scam and I couldn't stress hard enough to stay away from it.

There was alot of people there that I knew, and apparently were making a fortune but what they were really going was ripping off their mate by getting them to join in on the scheme. Everyone that joins, Ignite Leisure make €1,300 and they are hiding behind the Tourism Industry.

I wish I bought my Mini-Disk in with me so I could record it and have a laugh on a daily basis.

Plus, they don't even play for the venue.
 
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Harbourview

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Unfortunately my wife has been brainwashed by theese people and invested along with her brothers. The whole thing smacks of "SCAM" some of the sales techniques are to, Sit between couples and not give them an opportunity to discuss. Big cheers when a new (lamb to the slaughter) has signed up. Holiday special offers (that can be found easily on any search for the same price without joining up). Blinded by sales pitches of the "potential" fortune to be made.


We've seen it and we know from previous personal experience that at least 95% of the "gullible" people that join through "hype," "pressure,"
"greed," and "indifference" will lose money! That is a "PROVEN" fact but experience has also proved that there are none so blind as those that "WILL-NOT-SEE" therefore, arguing the point with such "Simpletons" is..futile indeed!

Sadly, it is only when people lose money and friends and credibility that they even begin to think "soberly" and not through glasses clouded with the scum of avarice. Most people are like spoilt teenagers who insist on going their own way and doing their own thing until the mistakes are made and then they say: "I should have listened." By then it is of course too late - the damage is done. How many schemes must come along before people realise it is only the "chosen-few" at the top that make the money? The Maths "dictate" it!

History just keeps on repeating itself. Titan, Delfin, Infinity, Hearts, The Money Tree etc, etc, etc. Every time a few people make money and the rest lose and still people think the next one will be different. How many times do you need to get kicked in the b...s before you get out of the way?

They will say, "top professionals are joining." I say, "If they were at the top of their game they would not need a "Ponzi" money-go-round scheme and they would have enough "sense" and "conscience" not to join." They will say, "people are going on holiday." I say, "Their are numerous cases of people who could not obtain a booking and have consequently asked for their money back only to be "threatened."" And speaking of threats, even newspaper reporters have been threatened, for example "James Ellis" who wrote several articles on the matter. Then there is the "Website Masters" that have been threatened, bullied and gagged for example Ollie of singingpig. What a nice outfit they are promoting! You say, "people are enjoying themselves." I say, "the dozens of people who have not been able to go on holiday or get a refund are not enjoying themselves!" They are too busy communicating with the OFT etc.

Do they really expect people to hand over €2,500 to a company that has...

No Proper Office Address!
No Proper Premises!
No Company Registration!
No Registered Directors!
No Accounts Posted!
No Tax or VAT Paid!
No Credit Card Facility with Guarantee!
No COOLING OFF PERIOD!
No Chance to Think Things Over!
No Problem breaking the 7-Day £200 Rule!
No ABTA Membership - Therefore, No Holiday Guarantee!

To a Company that has Affiliates that have never even heard of them or have quickly cut-off association with them!
To a Company that only tells you which hotel is being used at the last minute so as to avoid being raided!
To a Company who's founders have a history of screwing people and then clearing off!
To a Company that only uses PO Boxes!
To a Company that has No Proper Phone Numbers, only 0845 numbers and Mobiles!
To a Company with whom you have NO LEGAL RIGHTS because they were set-up in Canada!
To a Company who's top people keep their money in OFF-SHORE ACCOUNTS!

Only "simpletons" would do that!

Now I ask you ...

How can a Company that claims to turn-over £120 million NOT POST ACCOUNTS?
How can they give such big discounts when all other Companies are struggling because of increasingly Tight Margins?
How can the Product have any REAL value when MOST of the money is paid out in 5-6 levels of COMMISSIONS!
How can people make money when their first two BEST FRIENDS -- PASS-UP in the Pay Plan Structure!
How can average people make money when it takes 4 recruits to get your money back and average people only recruit 2!

Now consider this ...

You are NOT allowed to know what kind of meeting you are going to attend!
You are NOT allowed in without Proper Dress Code - Someone could make a killing just selling ties at the hotels!
You are NOT allowed in without paying €15 for the Privilege of being CONNED!
You are NOT allowed to see a Web~Site until you have handed over €2,500!
You are NOT allowed to go away and think it over - if you do you are in fact, barred for ONE-YEAR!
You are NOT allowed to simply trade in the Product - You MUST bring people to the Trainings!

Consider also the fact that everything is TAKEN-OUT of YOUR hands and that you will have to ENDURE a TIME-SHARE/CHARISMATIC STYLE MEETING for up-to 4-HOURS with few breaks and NO refreshments where you will be made to feel REALLY GUILTY or even STUPID if you don't sign-up there and then!

Do they actually expect people to consider this is normal practice for a legitimate business? Because, if they do, they should be living with Michael Jackson - "Wacko's" together!!

Do they really expect people to accept that the "CULT-LIKE" - MIND-CONTROL TECHNIQUES being used in these so-called business meetings are "Normal?"
Because, if they do, they need help, they need to go and see a "CULT" Specialist and get their minds deprogrammed! If they do, they've lost the plot completely, they are coccooned in their own little "Personal-Matrix-World" of "make-believe," so get a grip, wise-up and for goodness sake don't draw anymore friends into their rediculous "Money-Game!"

By the way, are they declaring all this big-money they claim to be earning to the Revenue - SOME HOPE! And then they have the audacity to say it's a perfectly legitimate enterprise, everybody should just be positive. Don't make me laugh, they will be the first one on a plane when the "S... hits the fan" and won't be hanging around to bail their friends out will they? Like all "Cold-Hearted" SCAMMERS they will drop them like a hot poker and run-off into the night and all I can say is: "GOOD RIDANCE!"

Check this Link Out Ignite Leisure are there:


http://www.crimeshare.net/list.html
 
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gordongekko

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They were talking about this on liveline today did anyone hear it and what did they say?
 
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