Bereavement time off
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There is no statutory bereavement leave in Ireland, so it'll depend on your employers policy.
Lambchops65
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I think it depends on your company policy? In my job it is up to 3 days - thais includes immediate family (grandparents fall under this). You should have a HR policy you can look up?
Allpartied
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People open up businesses because they make money from them.
They make money by buying people's labour at a rate which is lower than the profitability gained from that labour.
They include the cost of the labour in their business plan and, ultimately, charge it to their customers. Bereavement leave, sick leave and holiday pay are just part of the costs.
So, the employee, is not getting a gift from the business owner. In fact, the worker is giving the gift to the business owner, by providing them with profit, which is unpaid wages for the labour they perform.
I don't see where the OP mentioned expecting to get paid for the day(s) off?
Unbelievable point of view !!
I'd wager you are a 'shop steward' or a union rep. or at the very least would like to be.
"Down tools, all out brothers", yes that's the way to go. A foolproof recipe for a successful business.
Doesn't matter what other people's employers do.
That's irrelevant to the original poster.
The answer has been provided earlier.
There's no statutory entitlement so it's a contractual matter down to the contract of employment and/or custom and practice in that particular workplace.
That's irrelevant to the original poster.
The answer has been provided earlier.
There's no statutory entitlement so it's a contractual matter down to the contract of employment and/or custom and practice in that particular workplace.
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People open up businesses because they hope to make money from them.
They hope to make money by purchasing/leasing premises, (depending on type) by purchasing/leasing machinery, by purchasing insurance, by investing their own money and a LOT of time and hard work, often taking out loans against whatever collateral they can muster and not least hiring people to work at a mutually agreed rate.
A hell of a lot more than your general, sweeping, simplistic and somewhat 'left wing' statement above.
Steven Barrett
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Wait until the Shinners are in. Company profits will be shared with the workers and 10 days bereavement leave when Lucky the goldfish dies.
Allpartied
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It's straight forward economics. The Labour Theory of Value, first explained by the founder of modern capitalism, Adam Smith.I don't see where the OP mentioned expecting to get paid for the day(s) off?
Unbelievable point of view !!
I'd wager you are a 'shop steward' or a union rep. or at the very least would like to be.
"Down tools, all out brothers", yes that's the way to go. A foolproof recipe for a successful business.
And rightly so ! I would assume that would be paid + any bonus scheme would not be negatively impacted.
Not forgetting a set of shiny new bank holidays to commemorate dead hunger strikers and various other "freedom fighters". I can hardly wait!
Allpartied
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All those things, premises, machinery, the collateral they have acquired and any capital they accumulate or borrow, are the fruits of labour. Someone else's labour , from which a portion has been extracted for profit by other bosses.
Paying someone a day off when their beloved passes away is just part of the price for acquiring the labour. Most people don't have many grandparents , so it's not gonna cost a lot. If it eats into the profit, by a fraction of one percent, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to get it back in late finishes or curtailed lunch breaks from the bereaved worker.
Allpartied
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My advice to any working people on this site, is join a union and make sure you're paid for your labour. That includes paid breaks, holiday pay, sick pay and bereavement pay, as legislated by the democratically elected government of the state. If you guys don't like it, you can go and live in some unregulated , capitalist jungle, where the bosses live behind huge security fences and employ an army of bodyguards.
How are you getting on in Brussels Clare?
Be careful now, if everyone joined a Union then there'd be nobody in the Private sector for the Unions to live off.
If you are in the Private sector (the real private sector which is open to real competition) just remember that if you all join a Union they'll put you out of business within a few years.
If you have a middle class job in the State Sector or a sector that gets bailed out by other people if you and your colleagues screw up then join a Union if you like, and if you are okay with taxes taken from poor people subsidising your income.
As for the topic at hand; if you're employer can afford to pay you to take time off to go to a funeral they should. They should certainly accommodate you to attend it.
Allpartied
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All the evidence shows that the decline of unions has coincided with a massive rise in wealth inequality.
It's not that there isn't enough profit, its that the profit is being hoarded by fewer and fewer people.
Capitalists are so dumb, they actually have to rescued by unions and labour parties, from their own demise.
Share the wealth guys, or it'll be tumbrel time.
Okay, so it's the decline in Unions and not AI, Automation, the opening up of Southeast Asia and containerisation that has lead to increased wealth inequality in developed countries. Is that what you are saying?
By the way, global capitalism has raised 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years, something socialism abjectly failed to do in the previous 80. If your version of wealth inequality only extends to white people then you are correct. If it includes everyone then you are way off the mark.
You also fail to understand that wealth is created so when Bill Gates gets richer it's not because someone else has got poorer.
But most of all you fail to understand that for the vast majority of people in the world income is what matters, not wealth.
If I'm in negative equity of €200k on my house and earn €175K a year my net wealth is lower than a subsistence farmer in Sudan. In that scenario do you think I'm poorer?