Argument with my boss regading my sick days

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Hi there,

A month ago a had a argument with my boss about my sick days. At that time i have been working for him for 7 month and took out 5 sick days, i didn't bring him doctors note, but he never actually ask for one. But after last time he gave out to me. I was entitled to week off now but i didn't take it just to cover up for my sick days, which he was paying for. But now i think maybe i should actually take that week? When i started working i here he actually never told me what will be the conditions, so i don't know will i be right or wrong taking out my hols?

Thanks a mill,
 
What does it say in your contract of employment regarding sick days with and without doctor cert?

For instance, in my contract, i think it is stated that i can "take" 2 sick days per year without doctors cert. After that, the employer is not obliged to pay me for any additional unjustified sick days
It is different for sick days with doctor cert.
 
5 sick days in 7 months is quite a lot in Private sector. Employers generally let a few slide but at a certain point ( and for you that seems to be 5 ) they may start to get cranky and deservedly so.

You should have a doctors letter for any 3 sick days in a row.

If any of them were due to beer you should have no grievance either way!!

Having said all that you cannot be made swap holidays for sick days. Just dont expect any favours going forward now.....
 
Marinchik said:
When i started working i here he actually never told me what will be the conditions, so i don't know will i be right or wrong taking out my hols?
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If you mean that you never got a written contract/job description then the company is at fault here.
The Terms of Employment (Information) Acts 1994 and 2001 provide that an employer is obliged to provide an employee with a written statement of terms of employment within the first two months of the commencement of employment.
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Thanks for replies,

I never signed any contract, thats why i'm saying i don't know what am i entitled to. In previous job i had a 10 sick days a year without docs cert. First i took 2 days then 2 days and then another 1 day, i didn't take them in a row. I'm a broker assistant. He also told me to pay for my courses, ut never did, i also never saw my commisions even he promissed them too. Well thats actually the reasons i'm quitting now.

And Monkeyboy - i was genuine sick, not cos of hangover or anything.

Thanks,
 
OK - bear in mind that there is no statutory entitlement to paid sick leave and you really need to get a clear explanation of the official company policy on sick leave/days, certification etc. If you are quitting then this may be academic but it might be useful advice for the future. Always get a written contract and/or copy of any relevant company policies.
 
The problem is i don't think he would have any company rules or anything its a small business only 2 emloyees. And i don't think he cares about contracts. Well its actually my fault too cos i should've ask for it in the begining. Never tought about it, but i will in future.

Thanks Clubman,
 
Marinchik said:
In previous job i had a 10 sick days a year without docs cert. First i took 2 days then 2 days and then another 1 day, i didn't take them in a row.
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Apologies if you were genuinely sick but for the sake of your career you really need to examine this. Don't think I'm having a go at you because I'm not but you're missing a ridiculous amount of work.
10 days the last time, 7 this year...any employer would frown upon this. This is not normal. Again if you've had legitimate problems I apologise but if you're not just sucking it up and going to work when you have headcolds etc then you are harming your career.
 
Marinchik said:
Thanks for replies,

I never signed any contract, thats why i'm saying i don't know what am i entitled to. In previous job i had a 10 sick days a year without docs cert. First i took 2 days then 2 days and then another 1 day, i didn't take them in a row. I'm a broker assistant. He also told me to pay for my courses, ut never did, i also never saw my commisions even he promissed them too. Well thats actually the reasons i'm quitting now.

And Monkeyboy - i was genuine sick, not cos of hangover or anything.

Thanks,
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beer comment was a laugh!

Any way if he genuinely owes you commission photo copy all the relevant info before you quit and contact the Labour Relations Commission.

I succesfully got a large commission settlement for a friend thro the LRC that was refused to be paid.
 
My husband used to work for a company that hauled him over the coals for taking three days off sick at different times. Apparently their grievance was he didn't produce a doctors note. He argued that it wasn't anything to go to the doctors FOR but they actually told him it would have been better to take three days off with a doctors note than one day off without.

Mind you, we'd just moved from the UK where a days sickness wasn't required to be signed off by a doctor, still not sure if it's required here...he solved the problem by resigning and becoming a contractor..now if he takes a day off the only person out of pocket is himself......and his agent!
 
KalEl if i would had only headcold, i would be working no problem. I don't want to miss any days of my work myself either, but sometimes you have to:( Plus my boss actually is a great man and it is pleasure to work with him,it just i recon he could be more organized towards employees, as i said its my fault i didn't request a contract, so i can't really now complain what i'm entitled to or not.
Well the fact i'm not taking my holidays makes for them sick days up, i think.
Plus i would meet clients sometimes outside working hours and weekends, didn't get paid for that, i'm not complaining but if you look at it in general i'm not that bad:)
 
KalEl said:
10 days the last time, 7 this year...any employer would frown upon this. This is not normal.
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Towger said:
In the private sector it is not. I have don't think I have missed 7 days in 10 years.
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Not sure what is "normal" here at all . Everybody's health is different. Well done to all those who manage not to miss "too many" days through illness. Not all of us are in the same boat though so don't assume that this is something that is under our control!
 
Marinchik said:
as i said its my fault i didn't request a contract, so i can't really now complain what i'm entitled to or not.
Well the fact i'm not taking my holidays makes for them sick days up, i think.
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It's up to the employer to provide a written contract within 2 months of an employee commencing work - an employee should not have to ask for this.
 
Just in relation to going to work with headcolds etc would it not be better to stay off for a day instead of giving your cold to 100 othes who then in turn have to struggle to work on public transport etc feeling really under the weather. It annoys me when collegues sit sneezing and coughing all over the place and spreading germs.
 
KalEl said:
Don't think I'm having a go at you because I'm not but you're missing a ridiculous amount of work.
10 days the last time, 7 this year...any employer would frown upon this.
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You are a bit fast off the starting block here...OP never stated taking 17 sick days... Read the thread.
 
Sammie110 said:
Just in relation to going to work with headcolds etc would it not be better to stay off for a day instead of giving your cold to 100 othes who then in turn have to struggle to work on public transport etc feeling really under the weather. It annoys me when collegues sit sneezing and coughing all over the place and spreading germs.
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FYI This is called "Presenteeism" and is becoming a bigger problem to companies than absenteeism for the reasons you allude to.
 
PHP: 
FYI This is called "Presenteeism" and is becoming a bigger problem to companies than absenteeism for the reasons you allude to.

THis is interesting - has there been some research into it?
 
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