So in effect you are stating that all parties who go to the electorate with a specific manifesto should/must implement that manifesto if they then form a government. In effect that rules out any possibility of a Government being formed unless 1 party gets an overall majority. A manifesto cannot be written in stone as it's broadly based on circumstances and opportunity. In reality parties when elected should do their utmost to honour their promises ( reality unfortunately has shown us otherwise) but compromise will always be required when circumstances such as a coalition government or economic circumstances require a dilution of election promises.I think it is a slippery slope if you start encouraging parties to disregard their manifesto promises. You're voting for a package deal, and their policies on IW were part of the FG and FF package. I live in a city, if I vote for a party who has policies on rural Ireland, I'm giving tacit approval to them.
So in effect you are stating that all parties who go to the electorate with a specific manifesto should/must implement that manifesto if they then form a government. In effect that rules out any possibility of a Government being formed unless 1 party gets an overall majority. A manifesto cannot be written in stone as it's broadly based on circumstances and opportunity. In reality parties when elected should do their utmost to honour their promises ( reality unfortunately has shown us otherwise) but compromise will always be required when circumstances such as a coalition government or economic circumstances require a dilution of election promises.
Precisely. Odyssey there is no way both FF and FG can achieve every promise in their election manifestos - there will have to be compromise or else we go for another election. It is disingenuous to suggest that FF and FG should stick rigidly to their manifesto position on IW if they are serious about trying to agree on a minority FG led government supported by FF. Either agree on compromise or stop this charade and go back for another election.So in effect you are stating that all parties who go to the electorate with a specific manifesto should/must implement that manifesto if they then form a government. In effect that rules out any possibility of a Government being formed unless 1 party gets an overall majority. A manifesto cannot be written in stone as it's broadly based on circumstances and opportunity. In reality parties when elected should do their utmost to honour their promises ( reality unfortunately has shown us otherwise) but compromise will always be required when circumstances such as a coalition government or economic circumstances require a dilution of election promises.
Nail on the head QED!!
Lets stop talking about IW for a second, take a step back and ask what is wrong with our political system? Why have they failed to form a government since being elected? Who/what is the root cause of this failure?
Lets focus energy positively on debating and rationalising the above rather than wasting time and energy talking about the distraction that is IW. Lets identify where the system is broken and fix it in the next General Election.
Agree with most of your postSophrosyne but I do find it hard to agree with this statement. The thing is we just don't know if this is true or not. Obviously FG will claim that their votes want to keep water charges. FF did not campaign for the abolition of water charges, merely the suspension of them for now, but even then how many FF votes were on the basis of this stance as opposed to any of the other items on their manifesto?
In whose interest is abolition of water charges and what about the knock-on consequences on ongoing budgets for health, education, housing, policing, etc.?
It just happened that most elected TDs favoured abolition of water charges in their manifestos:
Any evidence for that?Initial plan was to privatise and sell it off (I wonder to whom?)
D/Environment with proper funding and direction could manage Water by the 5 regions with the Councils/LAs doing the work (as now)
Think you might struggle to find very much support that cause! ....Like others, I'm fed up to the teeth with all this claptrap about IW, when there are so many REAL problems facing the country. I also object to the claims that the last election was a referendum about IW. The fact is that we need a national water utility. Full stop. IW's introduction has been appallingly badly managed. That's a separate matter; it doesn't take from the fact that the country needs the utility, and we should pay for it, broadly in proportion to how much water we use, with appropriate (limited) exemptions. I heard someone on the radio this morning say that he was thinking of starting a protest movement FOR the retention of IW. I'd be happy to join that particular protest. Any volunteers to organise it?
This was something used as a scaremongering tactic by PPP/AAA etc. IW do not own the infrastructure and would not be entitled to interfere with water supply/waste disposal in any dispute.Initial plan was to privatise and sell it off (I wonder to whom?)
In the interest of the economy of this countryIn whose interest is the retention of Irish Water?
Where did you get this story - anywhere credible?Initial plan was to privatise and sell it off (I wonder to whom?)
In other words, paid for by those paying tax only. I would prefer everyone pays for the cost of providing water in this country, not just tax payers.Abolition of water charges? - cost of water currently included in General taxation, LPT and Motor Tax.
right that enough about irish water - its boring. lets discuss the forum's title.
Lets stop talking about IW for a second, take a step back and ask what is wrong with our political system? Why have they failed to form a government since being elected? Who/what is the root cause of this failure?
Lets focus energy positively on debating and rationalising the above rather than wasting time and energy talking about the distraction that is IW. Lets identify where the system is broken and fix it in the next General Election.
Good point, and we should probably give more focus to matters of policy that are entirely within their control, and not 'attempts' to control, or 'statements' to predict, forces external to then. Not saying politicians can't do anything about the above matters, but they are more plans of attack than what will actually happen.It probably suits Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael to keep Irish Water to the fore. The real issues, poverty, homelessness, the economy, restless public servants, organised crime etc can take a back seat but not Irish bloody Water. You see, they can resolve the water issue, but not the others.
It probably suits Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael to keep Irish Water to the fore. The real issues, poverty, homelessness, the economy, restless public servants, organised crime etc can take a back seat but not Irish bloody Water. You see, they can resolve the water issue, but not the others.
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