A driver's licence: fatal in Swords, trivial in Rathgar

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We talk a lot here about the RTB being slow, or getting the paperwork wrong.

There's a deeper problem: the same question of law can produce opposite outcomes depending on which tribunal you draw.

A clean example. Both are published tribunal reports, both on sale-ground notices, and in both the statutory declaration was witnessed using the landlord's driver's licence as ID - rather than a passport or national ID card, the documents formally listed on the declaration form.

TR0525-008785 (Swords, Sept 2025): the tribunal held a driver's licence is not valid ID, that this made the declaration non-compliant, and - having considered the slip rule (s.64A) - expressly refused to apply it, finding the defect material. Notice invalid.
The Tribunal is not satisfied that the failure to provide correct identifying documents is immaterial in circumstances where the list of acceptable identifying documents is set out clearly at the end on the statutory declaration sworn by the Landlord​
Tribunal Report https://rtb.ie/disputes/dispute-outcomes-and-orders/adjudication-and-tribunal-orders/?_search=TR0525-008785 (here).

TR0001411 (Rathgar, May 2026): same defect. This tribunal held it a non-material, curable deviation under the Interpretation Act 2005, with no prejudice to the tenant. Notice valid.
In the circumstances, the Tribunal is of the view that the use by the Landlord of his driving licence as an identity document does not affect the substance of the Statutory Declaration, nor was the Statutory Declaration misleading in content or effect.​

Tribunal Report https://rtb.ie/disputes/dispute-outcomes-and-orders/adjudication-and-tribunal-orders/?_search=TR0001411%20 (here).

Anyone can check: the acceptable ID documents are listed on the declaration form itself - passport, national ID card, and a few travel documents. A driver's licence isn't among them. One tribunal treated that as fatal; the other treated it as trivial.

Same point of law, same statutory materials, opposite results nine months apart. Neither turned on any special fact. In both, the landlord's genuine intention to sell was accepted - the only issue was the ID document. The second tribunal even acknowledged the first, and brushed it aside: it "is not bound by determinations made by differently constituted tribunals." To make matters more stark, at least one member sat on both panels.

As with all the issues with the RTB that we discuss, the cost isn't abstract. In the Swords case, the tenant was advised by Threshold and by Fingal County Council that the notice was invalid and not to move out (advice the tribunal in that case confirmed was correct). The tenant stayed, and arrears climbed to €15,500 before the tribunal even ruled- and note the rent was already deeply below market, so this was a landlord losing money he was owed on a property he was barely covering. Had that landlord drawn the Rathgar tribunal's reasoning instead, his notice would have been valid, he'd have had possession about a year sooner, and much of that €15,500 would never have accrued.

That's the real problem with tribunals not binding each other - a landlord's ability to recover their property, or a tenant's security in their home, turns not on the law but on the luck of the draw. There's no way for either side to know in advance which answer they'll get.

For a body being handed extra powers to fine and incarcerate landlords for getting the rules wrong, we should all be very worried.
 
As with all the issues with the RTB that we discuss, the cost isn't abstract. In the Swords case, the tenant was advised by Threshold and by Fingal County Council that the notice was invalid and not to move out (advice the tribunal in that case confirmed was correct). The tenant stayed, and arrears climbed to €15,500 before the tribunal even ruled- and note the rent was already deeply below market, so this was a landlord losing money he was owed on a property he was barely covering. Had that landlord drawn the Rathgar tribunal's reasoning instead, his notice would have been valid, he'd have had possession about a year sooner, and much of that €15,500 would never have accrued.
Threshold, a government funded body to the tune of €2m per year from memory, advising and supporting a tenant who broke the law by not paying the rent.

@stormy great work going through the Tribunal Reports, an eye opener showing what is really going on in the PRS. Of course, no journalist will ever pick this up.

Another question - why on earth isn't a driving licence valid ID. It is accepted for everything else like anti-money laudering, open bank accounts etc.
 
It's not accepted by most online banks/Fintechs in my experience. Only an Irish passport works there in most cases.
I didn't know that. I would have used it, but with a physical bank.

Still the overall point is correct, two completely different outcomes, and over a trivial mistake. There was no issue about the actual identity of the landlord. More importantly, the tenant wasn't paying a relatively low rent and could do that with no consequences.
 
It's not accepted by most online banks/Fintechs in my experience.
That is reasonable. I renewed driver license recently online and did not need to submit new photo. So in 10 years time the photo will be 20 years old.
 
That is reasonable. I renewed driver license recently online and did not need to submit new photo. So in 10 years time the photo will be 20 years old.
You can see the risk of fraud there.

But here, the landlord had to go physically into the solicitors office, meet the solicitor and ask him to swear the statutory declaration. He would also have to produce the driving licence to the solicitor who would have to examine it because he has to write its details on the declaration. The chances of fraud are miniscule.

Why anyway would a landlord send anybody other than himself in to get the declaration sworn. Is there really a chance that a fake landlord would be trying to evict a tenant? I asked AI as well and it said that a valid driving licence is fine, but some solicitors prefer a passport.

It would be one thing as well if the landlord could just get the documentation redone and come back in a month's time and get the eviction order. Everything else here was correct and genuine. Instead, the whole process which takes months if not a year to get to the Tribunal must restart while the tenant is continuing to not pay rent which the landlord will never see a penny of. The tenant can, of course, appeal to the upper Tribunal. More time there and that it is assuming that the whole thing isn't struck down on another technicality. Then the landlord has to go to court and then the sheriff.

This tenant could be in situ not paying rent for 5 years at this rate.

The tenant must be laughing his head off.
 
There's a deeper problem: the same question of law can produce opposite outcomes depending on which tribunal you draw.
And depending on which solicitor you pick for the statutory declaration.

If AI is correct, most solicitors will accept a driving licence, but some insist on a passport. Had the landlord who lost the case had a passport only solicitor, he would have been fine.

All the while, the termination is genuine and unpaid rent which will never be collected is clocking up.
 
@stormy great work going through the Tribunal Reports, an eye opener showing what is really going on in the PRS. Of course, no journalist will ever pick this up.
even if it were handed to them on a plate, the journalist still would not report it cause it would be an article about a mistreated landlord, nobody wants to hear that, its all about the poor tenant!
 
Another question - why on earth isn't a driving licence valid ID. It is accepted for everything else like anti-money laudering, open bank accounts etc.

No idea. The Law Society of Ireland has AML guidance which treats a current driving licence as acceptable photo ID. Solicitors accept the licence for basically everything. Of course, it's a trap that it's not acceptable on this specific statutory declaration. And I think that's the point.


But here, the landlord had to go physically into the solicitors office, meet the solicitor and ask him to swear the statutory declaration. He would also have to produce the driving licence to the solicitor who would have to examine it because he has to write its details on the declaration. The chances of fraud are miniscule.
This is exactly the point. Property owners are obliged to pay for professional assistance, and even with professional oversight the traps are snaring them. In the Swords case, the solicitor expressly asked for the licence.

"...the Landlord replied that he had got a solicitor to swear the statutory declaration and that the solicitor had told him that a driver`s license was what was needed as proof of ID."

It won't suprise anyone here that solicitors simply can't keep abreast of the convoluted RTA. This was not a careless landlord - he did exactly what his solicitor told him, and he still lost.
 
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No idea. The Law Society of Ireland has AML guidance which treats a current driving licence as acceptable photo ID. Solicitors accept the licence for basically everything. Of course, it's a trap that it's not acceptable on this specific statutory declaration. And I think that's the point.
Threshold probably chancing their arm on that the driving licence point and got lucky with the particular Tribunal.

"...the Landlord replied that he had got a solicitor to swear the statutory declaration and that the solicitor had told him that a driver`s license was what was needed as proof of ID."
Per AI the vast majority of solicitors use driving licences for these statutory declarations. If these are fine for all other statutory declarations, what is the problem here?

It won't suprise anyone here that solicitors simply can't keep abreast of the convoluted RTA. This was not a careless landlord - he did exactly what his solicitor told him, and he still lost.
Exactly, and everything else he did was 100% correct.
 
driver`s license
Just spotted this - an Irish statutory body using American English and misspelling the name of the very document it's ruling on. The whole case turns on the validity of a driving licence, and the tribunals report can't spell "licence".

Happy enough to hold an accommodation provider to dotting every i and crossing every t. Not so accountable when drafting orders - they can't spell the word the entire case hinges on.
 
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Thanks @bipped

I wasn't aware of that. This actually reinforces the point that it's a trap. In practice a driving licence is fine for the vast majority of situations, which is exactly why the solicitor accepted/requested it, as almost any solicitor would have. I do pity that landlord - losing his notice on this, on top of €15,500 in arrears and mortgage pressure, having done everything his own solicitor told him and now needing to start all over again.

The haphazard application of the slip rule is still the bizarre part. If ever there were a textbook case for curing a non-material, honestly-made slip, it's this one - and yet...
 
The haphazard application of the slip rule is still the bizarre part. If ever there were a textbook case for curing a non-material, honestly-made slip, it's this one - and yet...
And especially in a case like this where there are significant rent arrears on a low rent.

If the idea behind the new rules is to encourage small landlords to stay or enter the market (I'm really begining to doubt that this is the plan at all though), then creating a system like this, where if the landlord picks the wrong tenant (easy enough to do), they will be involved in this rigamarole for 3 or 4 years and without any rent to boot.
 
The haphazard application of the slip rule is still the bizarre part.
I read about a HC case on the slip rule before and the judge said (my words here) that if the mistakes in S62 can’t be fixed by S64a, what’s the reason for that regulation being there.

The case was about a missing signature but the rtb ruling was that the missing signature in itself didn’t change the reason for the NoT. So it was just about the RTA Act which the RTB are responsible for, but the driving licence error was due to a completely different piece of legislation. How does that work? Can the RTB also decide on other legislation?

Edit: this was a few months ago. https://www2.courts.ie/acc/alfresco/be57ca34-9aaa-4fc4-8c9c-2d5bff488b53/2026_IEHC_71.pdf/pdf
 
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So in 10 years time the photo will be 20 years old.
Identification is a two stage process. The recipient needs to confirm that the photo is one of you. If they cannot do that then the identification verification fails. So in theory it does not mean that a 20 year licence where you have grown a beard and gone bald will automatically validate identification.
I presume the reason Drivers Licence is sometimes officially unacceptable is that it is more easily faked.
 
involved in this rigamarole for 3 or 4 years and without any rent to boot.
I’ve read a few cases in the ECHR about state systems that take years to sort out to the detriment of a landlord and the consequences on him making a living from his asset. They were connected to Art1 of Protocol 1 and basically said that if laws are too severe, last too long or affect the economic value of the property, that can be a de-facto deprivation of the property. Make interesting reading.
 
I presume the reason Drivers Licence is sometimes officially unacceptable is that it is more easily faked.
They likely are and in some countries it might be easy to get a driving licence without a background check.

That still brings up two questions though:

1. How likely is it that a landlord would be using a fake driving licence to issue an NoT or that someone who isn't the landlord would use the real landlord's driving licence to issue an NoT. I'd say the chances of that type of thing happening are remote in the extreme, so a driving licence should be fine.

2. If the Tribunal is going to consistently take the view that a driving licence is not acceptable, then the RTB needs to put this on its website and draw everyone's attention to it. This is especially the case if the vast majority of solicitors routinely accept driving licences for statutory declarations of this type, which they seem to do.
 
It’s worth noting that in the Rathgar case, the landlord subsequently produced his passport to the solicitor before whom he swore the statutory declaration and that solicitor swore an affidavit to the effect that the person identified by the driving licence and passport were one and the same.

There was no similar evidence before the Tribunal in the Swords case.
 
There was no similar evidence before the Tribunal in the Swords case.
That is correct, but the licence/passport issue in the Swords case is still an extremely trivial reason to have lost the case.

The landlord did produce valid, Government issued ID which is accepted, from personal experience, by banks, guards etc.He wasn't using a bank card or work ID.

Nobody was arguing that somebody other than the landlord signed the NoT and the Declaration. There was no question mark over his identity or his bona fides.
 
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