A Christmas present for senior Civil Servants

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The point is that the impression was given by many posters that bonuses were unheard of in the public sector whilst they were standard in the private sector. Unsurprisingly, neither of these statements are true.
 
Bronte said:
Or blackmailing the government? They know where all the skeletons are.
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Civil servants sign the official secrets act which forbids them talking about what goes on in govt if any civil servant talks to the papers and gets found out they can be jailed.
 
Caveat said:
600 so far.

The point is that the impression was given by many posters that bonuses were unheard of in the public sector whilst they were standard in the private sector. Unsurprisingly, neither of these statements are true.
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I knew a bonus structure existed in the semi state bodies but I am totally shocked that they also existed in the civil service.
 
Nobody below Assistant Sec level in the Civil Service gets a bonus. Asst Secs form a tiny percentage of Civil Servants. In my own Department of 1,000 staff there are 7 Assistant Secretaries. Most people have never agreed with the bonus, which I think was only introduced in recent years.
 
Even at that some of them do not get it.

I have always thought that it was disgraceful that they were given this. I am going on 20 years in the CS and have never (nor any of my colleagues) got as much as a cent extra ever.

Now to add insult to injury it has been incorporated into their normal salary.
 
When working for one of the main Irish Banks all of us in the Department in which I worked received bonuses whether or not we were signed up to performance related contracts .
There is no doubt in my mind that such bonuses led to reckless Banking practises.
 
Caveat said:
This applies to me too by the way.
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Well I am just making the point that the sheer vast majority of the CS/PS do not receive bonuses and I also do not think that we should or ever should have.

The most laughable part was that this scheme has never been fully disclosed as to who got what and how much. It seemed to have operated quite covertly and doesn't seem to have been mentioned much in the Annual Appropriation Accounts for each of the Government Department.

Bonuses and how much and to whom seemed to be at least revealed in the private sector.
 
Deiseblue said:
When working for one of the main Irish Banks all of us in the Department in which I worked received bonuses whether or not we were signed up to performance related contracts .
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That's a disgrace.

Sounds a bit like the increment system in the public sector doesn't it? :)
 
Cowen rules out U-turn on pay for top officials

TAOISEACH [broken link removed] has ruled out any U-turn over his Government's decision to allow senior officials to escape the full brunt of the public sector pay cuts.
It comes after unions complained that cleaners in government departments were taking bigger pay cuts (5pc) than some senior figures (3pc). But Mr Cowen said the Government had already made its position on the issue clear.
"It's now in legislation and we've legislated for these changes and we have to proceed with them," he said.
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In his speech to around 220 international investors at a Citi conference in the [broken link removed], [broken link removed], yesterday, Mr Cowen defended the cutbacks , saying it was important to learn from the 1980s.
"We have learnt our lessons from the past. Our approach this time is not to delay the correction and not to take the soft option of relying solely on taxation measures," he said.
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I appreciate the quotes form part of a bigger speach, but this is incoherant nonsense. I sure wouldn't be happy if I was one of those cleaners.
 
And just to give a contrasting example from my own company. We've taken pay cuts ranging from 0% - 15%, graduated from the top down based solely on salary.

We used to have a bonus scheme, in fact we still do, it simply hasn't been paid in the last 2 years and is unlikely to be paid in the foreseeable. This bonus is just that, a bonus. The company is non-unionised but if it had come to light to that top management had avoided pay cuts by fiddling their bonus to be part of their salary everyone else would have simply walked out.
 
It's going to be very hard swallowing preachy emails from Assistant Secretaries about how we all have to put our shoulder to the wheel and 'do more with fewer resources' after this stunt. I can see fireworks ahead :(.
 
liaconn said:
It's going to be very hard swallowing preachy emails from Assistant Secretaries about how we all have to put our shoulder to the wheel and 'do more with fewer resources' after this stunt. I can see fireworks ahead :(.
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No there won't. And here's why.
Deiseblue said:
Excellent news.
Shows that this Government is for turning.
This surely must be grist to the union's mill , hopefully co-ordinated industrial action will now further influence Government thinking.
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It goes to the heart of a lot of Irish attitudes. We don't really mind people pulling strokes like this because given half a chance you'd have done the same. People on lower grades got shafted but they don't really really mind as they aspire one day to be the ones doing the shafting.
 
Making a lot of assumptions there, Howitzer. I can assure you, the poeple I work with are not impressed!
 
Just an attempt at a "humorous" addition to the previous concise posts.

Attempt failed obviously. :eek:
 
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