Can Dubs win ANYTHING in sport ?

When was she caught and with what Sunny? How did she cheat her way to gold? was it by training too hard, getting out of Ireland and using proper facilities? maybe you ought to consider her times, which by standards at the time were slow for winning ones. The "cheat" who whined and made the allegations swam far faster times than Michelle in her career, as did a number in the finals in whch she swam. I still believe the testers never explained themselves fully and that the discrepancies in their story left too much unsaid.

Sunny said:
Don't even go there. She cheated her way to olympic gold and anyone who puts her in the same category as people like Ronnie Delaney and Sonia O'Sullivan needs their head examined. Holding onto a medal doesn't make her a champion and anyone who doesn't think she cheated must be on drugs themselves.
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Have yet to see the Dunne fight but got a word by word update from the Point. It was coming and it's as well he loses now before he steps up a grad. Martinez got lucky. And Bernard will come again.
 
Betsy Og said:
In reality GAA in Dublin is only 1 of a number of sports (for those that participate at all) whereas in Kerry football is a religion (as it is in a lot of the country) and every man woman or child with any bit of ability is likely to play and keep playing. Hyperbole aside I think this is largely the case.

So maybe people get a kick (no pun intended) in rubbing it into the Dubs for their cockiness and their meejah bandwagon, but its a bit unfair to label Dublin GAA as total wasters by using a few simplistic assertions.
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I would agree with the above, there are many sports played in Dublin and I would be interested to know the breakdown between GAA, soccer and rugby. It should also be forgotten that Dublin is making huge strides at hurling, particularly at underage level. We were Leinster minor champs this year and are in the All Ireland U21 Final this year too. When was the last time Kilkenny were in a football final, at any level?
 
almo said:
When was she caught and with what Sunny? How did she cheat her way to gold? was it by training too hard, getting out of Ireland and using proper facilities? maybe you ought to consider her times, which by standards at the time were slow for winning ones. The "cheat" who whined and made the allegations swam far faster times than Michelle in her career, as did a number in the finals in whch she swam. I still believe the testers never explained themselves fully and that the discrepancies in their story left too much unsaid.
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If you genuinely believe that using proper facilities and "training" harder made her a three times olympic champion, then fair enough. Fast or slow times by other swimmers have nothing to with it. The fact is that she improved HER times from nowhere. She shows no signs of world class improvements until she met Eric De Bruin and then managed to knock 19 seconds off her 400m times in 15 months. Whe went from being ranked around 90 in the world to 17 in space of 1 year after meeting De Bruin. And how did De Bruin have time to train her? Oh yes, he was serving a four year suspension for drug use. She is a drugs cheat just like the cyclists in the tour de France who weren't caught at the time but now freely admit that drugs is what helped them win. She has just never had the guts to admit it.
 
YOBR said:
I would agree with the above, there are many sports played in Dublin and I would be interested to know the breakdown between GAA, soccer and rugby. It should also be forgotten that Dublin is making huge strides at hurling, particularly at underage level. We were Leinster minor champs this year and are in the All Ireland U21 Final this year too. When was the last time Kilkenny were in a football final, at any level?
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Exactly. What has been done with hurling in the county shows what can be done if proper planning is put in place.
 
almo said:
When was she caught and with what Sunny? How did she cheat her way to gold? was it by training too hard, getting out of Ireland and using proper facilities? maybe you ought to consider her times, which by standards at the time were slow for winning ones. The "cheat" who whined and made the allegations swam far faster times than Michelle in her career, as did a number in the finals in whch she swam. I still believe the testers never explained themselves fully and that the discrepancies in their story left too much unsaid.
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The lab in Barcelona concluded the alcohol content in the urine sample was "in no way compatible with human consumption", and that it was "compatible with physical manipulation". The fact that they tried to get the results of the B sample buried is very telling.
 
almo said:
When was she caught and with what Sunny? How did she cheat her way to gold? was it by training too hard, getting out of Ireland and using proper facilities? maybe you ought to consider her times, which by standards at the time were slow for winning ones. The "cheat" who whined and made the allegations swam far faster times than Michelle in her career, as did a number in the finals in whch she swam. I still believe the testers never explained themselves fully and that the discrepancies in their story left too much unsaid.
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De Bruin was banned from swimming for 4 years by FINA, the swimming governing body, for a serious doping offence. She appealed her ban to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne who dismissed her appeal. Nothing much to argue about there, I would have thought....

Fwiw, a useful reminder of the case here from the NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C00E0D81039F93BA35755C0A96F958260

Michelle de Bruin, who won three gold medals in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, lost an appeal yesterday to lift a four-year ban for tampering with a urine sample in a suspected effort to mask the presence of banned drugs. The ban will keep her out of the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, Australia, as well as the world championships in 2001.

De Bruin used her maiden name, Michelle Smith, at the Summer Games in Atlanta. A relatively obscure Irish swimmer, she won three golds there and several competitors questioned her sudden emergence.

In January 1998, at her home in Kilkenny, Ireland, she submitted to a random drug test. But the urine sample was so contaminated with alcohol that it was impossible to determine whether her sample contained banned substances.

De Bruin was suspended last August after the international swimming federation ruled that she had manipulated that urine sample. She contended that the samples were not hers and that someone had purposely switched samples.

At a hearing last month, she told an appeals panel, ''I don't have to prove my innocence here.'' But a three-member Court of Arbitration for Sport panel ruled in Lausanne, Switzerland, yesterday that the 28-year-old de Bruin did have the burden of proof.

The court said it believed that she ''was the only person who had the motive and opportunity to manipulate the sample.''

FINA, the swimming federation that brought the charges, said that her sample had been laced with so much alcohol -- presumably whisky -- that it would have killed a person if it had been ingested.

The only further avenue of appeal would be in civil court. Her lawyer, Peter Lennon, did not say whether he would pursue that course.

De Bruin is coached by her husband, Erik de Bruin, a discus thrower and shot-putter from the Netherlands, who was banned for four years after testing positive for high testosterone levels.
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Given her strength I wonder would Michelle consider coming out of retirement and playing up front for the Dubs:D :D :D
 
She's now a legal eagle so she'll find you & sue your asses for libelous/slanderous & any other "ous" comments ye might put up here that would be worth a few bob ;)
 
redstar said:
A bad weekend for Dublin sport - first Bernard Dunne gets the hunky dorys beaten out of him by some upstart Spaniard, and next the Dubs fail to get past the All-Ireland semis (again !) at the last hurdle.

With a population as big as Dublin, you'd think they could produce some sporting winners !
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Padraig Hartrington in a world beater, He is after all British open champion the biggest golf event in the world, but he is from the southside after all
 
redstar said:
why is this not proportionately reflected in sport ?
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Just because the country is rich doesn't mean that money is being invested in sports. The sports that we are good at, say rugby, the horsie stuff is largely played by the richer people in the country.

The country needs some sort of 'nationwide' academy of sport that will scout for talent in all sports, island-wide and offer some sort of scholarships where kids from all backrounds can come and further their talent without the pressure of money. Sports can be very expensive propositions for a parent.

With rugby especially, you are not going to make it very far unless your family hasmoney, or you don't get into one of the 'rugger schools'. Not munster, but leinster rugby for definite.

We need to look nationwide, there is talent out there, it's just being overlooked
 
i would expect a limerick fighter to do better but im sure he wouldnt know what to do with gloves on his hands instead of a knife and a few sovereign rings
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Knives are so last year we have moved to sniper rifles now, and I didn't realise sovereign rings were only to be found in Limerick. By the way I think jimmy got it right about Andy Lee this time, he seems a nice fella.

I can only think of Baggio?
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Gianluca Vialli is another, i will think of more!


In reality GAA in Dublin is only 1 of a number of sports (for those that participate at all) whereas in Kerry football is a religion (as it is in a lot of the country) and every man woman or child with any bit of ability is likely to play and keep playing. Hyperbole aside I think this is largely the case.
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Its pretty much the same in other counties regarding a wide variety of sports, Kerry wouldn't be the norm as in one sport being the absolute number one in a county. Take Limerick, Rugby, Gaelic, soccer, hurling are all popular and the main sports, but there is a wide variety and a large degree of success recently (hurling, rugby, boxing).
 
Kilmacud Crokes has almost as many senior players as fermanagh!! (probably more if you counted their underage structure)
 
look at the dublin supporters going around the the towns of ireland and wreaking them, shame on them, there only thugs
 
Olly64 said:
look at the dublin supporters going around the the towns of ireland and wreaking them, shame on them, there only thugs
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Whats wreaking???? And to be fair to Dublin supporters, not many of them would be caught saying 'there only thugs' ;)
 
all of they're away games, oh yea they play all of they're games in croke park, thank god we dont have to put up with there supporters, is that not unfair, they do not play away from home??
 
i was actually in a town after a dublin match and there were trees broken and street furniture wreaked, i asked a local what happened and he said that dublin were playing a match in the town the day before, is that the reason there're not allowed play outside dublin??
 
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