After Covid

Cervelo said:
But I'm wondering what are the things that people are not looking forward to returning to normal??
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One of the things I’ve relished the most during lockdown is the restaurant standard steaks and fish in butchers and fishmongers.

I picked up a couple of t-bones steaks during the week and the fillet side was nearly as big as the sirloin side. And I’ve been buying these regularly since March of last year. You can actually walk into a butchers and expect to get such a t-bone.
Normally it would be pure chance to get one of those. And that’s just t-bones. The same can be said for so many other cuts of meat. Lots of marbling too.

Likewise in the fishmongers. I’ve only every seen such big plaice, John Dory, sea bass, red mullet, etc, in restaurants. But now and only for another few weeks they’re available to us all.

I’ll miss those culinary treasures.
 
Paul O Mahoney said:
Pragmatism/Altruism will yet again end up in the ditch...humanity will have "dodged another bullet " only to survive and create the same reasons why the pandemic happened in the first place.

Those reasons include abject poverty of billions and an planet dying more every day.
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but thats not the reason why the pandemic happened, we still don't know how it started, remember. There is one theory basically accepted now that it started in the "wet market" in Wuhan. Those "wet markets" are not because of abject poverty because it still costs money to smuggle exotic animals from Africa. China is now a superpower , it is not a country in "abject poverty" and uniquely largely succeeded even though a highly populous country in suppressing the virus. That explanation might have been acceptable in the 60s or 70s under Mao but not today
 
joe sod said:
but thats not the reason why the pandemic happened, we still don't know how it started, remember.
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I assume @Paul O Mahoney is referring to our destruction of the environment, not Wuhan.
AFAIK there have been more pandemics in the last 20 years than in the entire 20th century. And most of these can be attributed to humans encroaching on wild areas.

On a side note, it seems that the positive effect of the lockdowns on the environment has been short lived.
 
joe sod said:
but thats not the reason why the pandemic happened, we still don't know how it started, remember. There is one theory basically accepted now that it started in the "wet market" in Wuhan. Those "wet markets" are not because of abject poverty because it still costs money to smuggle exotic animals from Africa. China is now a superpower , it is not a country in "abject poverty" and uniquely largely succeeded even though a highly populous country in suppressing the virus. That explanation might have been acceptable in the 60s or 70s under Mao but not today
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You clearly have never visited China Joe, Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong to name 3 aren't representative of the rest of the country , a City like Hangzhou about 11m people and 600 kms East of Wuhan looks very shiny but when you walk the city poverty is in full view and is adject. Go further into China and poverty is even more stark.
If you believe that China contained the virus you really need to research more and not take the word of a totalitarian regime.

Mankind is encroaching and destroying more of the natural world and this is causing more and more diseases and if you look at the recent breakout of Ebola it was again in countries where poverty is abject and where clean water is a luxury.

Of course add in "Globalisation " and we have all the ingredients for more and more frequent pandemics and one will evate all our scientific capabilities what then?
 
Humans have always destroyed their environment. When the first farmers arrived in the West of Ireland the Burren was a forest. Human intervention is what turned it into a slab of rock (all be a very nice slab of rock). The first people in Australia burned down most of the forest. People had only been in New Zealand a short time and managed to burn down a third of the forests there in less than a thousand years. The Woolly Mammoth survived many severe ice ages only to be hunted to extinction by humans less than 2500 years ago. In fact we wiped out all of the large predators and largest game in the Americas, Europe and most of Asia before we'd invented the wheel, metal tools or writing.
The problem now is there are so many of us and we consume so much more.
 
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Purple said:
The problem now is there are so many of us and we consume so much more.
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And with the current population near or at 8 billion and an estimated 2 to 3 billion been added by 2050
I think I read somewhere that we are now classed as outbreak species and with an extra two plus billion to feed, clothe and house
I don't think you need to be a genius to work out where we are heading
 
Cervelo said:
And with the current population near or at 8 billion and an estimated 2 to 3 billion been added by 2050
I think I read somewhere that we are now classed as outbreak species and with an extra two plus billion to feed, clothe and house
I don't think you need to be a genius to work out where we are heading
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Forecasts are that the population will max out at around 10.5 billion and then start to decline again. There are more than enough resources to feed, cloth and house that many people if we choose to behave responsibly.
 
Rip off Ireland at its finest dry haircut now 18 euro was 14 safepass now 200 was 120 in 2018 I hope the staff are watching the prices and pushing raises they will need them!
 
Purple said:
Forecasts are that the population will max out at around 10.5 billion and then start to decline again. There are more than enough resources to feed, cloth and house that many people if we choose to behave responsibly.
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I've been saying this for so long I thought I going mad, and this isn't socialist thinking, if trade was conducted in a manner that " everyone got something " from the relationship it would really " rise all boats" . Seeing children extracting cobalt in sub-human conditions just isn't right and this is only one example.

I'm still hoping that this pandemic might begin the change process but all we see is tokenism particularly in the area of vaccines.
I don't agree with the suspension of patents but equally I don't agree with massive deals being struck by "richer countries " when billions still await any type of treatment.
 
Paul O Mahoney said:
I've been saying this for so long I thought I going mad, and this isn't socialist thinking, if trade was conducted in a manner that " everyone got something " from the relationship it would really " rise all boats" . Seeing children extracting cobalt in sub-human conditions just isn't right and this is only one example.

I'm still hoping that this pandemic might begin the change process but all we see is tokenism particularly in the area of vaccines.
I don't agree with the suspension of patents but equally I don't agree with massive deals being struck by "richer countries " when billions still await any type of treatment.
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I'm still of the view that me, in my late 40's, getting a vaccine before an 80 year old anywhere else in the world is morally reprehensible.

If we can't do the right thing when it comes to something so binary and simple how will we ever do the right thing when it comes to things like making purchasing and lifestyle decisions based on the impact of up-stream supply chains?

If we won't do the right thing when it comes to vaccines so that we can get a haircut sooner how will we ever change our food and clothing purchase preferences as they are the biggest drivers of climate change?

Climate change is a much bigger issue than Covid19. In fact Covid19 is just a minor symptom of Climate change.
 
Purple said:
I'm still of the view that me, in my late 40's, getting a vaccine before an 80 year old anywhere else in the world is morally reprehensible.

If we can't do the right thing when it comes to something so binary and simple how will we ever do the right thing when it comes to things like making purchasing and lifestyle decisions based on the impact of up-stream supply chains?

If we won't do the right thing when it comes to vaccines so that we can get a haircut sooner how will we ever change our food and clothing purchase preferences as they are the biggest drivers of climate change?

Climate change is a much bigger issue than Covid19. In fact Covid19 is just a minor symptom of Climate change.
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I've thought about that ie getting the vaccine before others older than me especially in poorer countries but whilst many would agree I view it like putting on your oxygen mask before your children in a plane emergency.
If the vaccine producing countries weren't vaccinated first who would produce?
And would the truly needy/elderly get them?
Corruption is another pandemic the WHO while well intentioned, really have no power nor does the UN/ Unicef .

I'm afraid there are very few willing to change anything and that's what is frustrating , I'll safely say this the vast majority would prefer a level playing field.

Suppose really the only thing us individuals can do is make their little piece of the world and Society and little bit better and hope is catches on.
 
Paul O Mahoney said:
I've thought about that ie getting the vaccine before others older than me especially in poorer countries but whilst many would agree I view it like putting on your oxygen mask before your children in a plane emergency.
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It's more like finishing the movie you are watching then putting the oxygen mask on your children.
I am at almost no risk from Covid19. The same goes for everyone else under 50 who isn't sick already. There is no medical justification for vaccinating me ahead of the sick and vulnerable in other countries. There is no reason, economic, social or other that justifies it. It is simply a case of valuing our convenience more than the lives of people in other parts of the world.

This is something simple and tangible that we can actually do now that will save lives... but we are choosing not to because it doesn't suit us., because it's mildly inconvenient.

In that context talk of climate change, child labour and inequality from us all ring very hollow.
 
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