Possible drug dealer moving in our nice quiet estate

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Hi folks,


My family and I (wife and 2 smallies) live in a really nice 18 house development in the west of detached houses. All privately owned bar one which the council (much to our disappointment) leased off one person 6 odd years ago. The few different tenants thus far in said house haven't been much of an issue re anti-social behavior etc but its recently been vacated and the word on the street is that a known small time drug dealer whose again pregnant missus has out-grown their current council house (3 kids, another on the way, it's a great country) and needs more space (house in question is 4 bedroom).


The residents (including me) have met with our local councilor and spelt out our concerns of having what is a lovely place to live potentially ruined by the problems having such a new neighbour may bring. Not to mention the dealers kids are the same age as ours and when they're old enough to go out and play I don't want to have to worry about some local s***bags possibly bullying them or the passing traffic of their clientele which are equally low grade. The vibes we received thus far from our councilor aren't overly positive on what can be done to block such a move. He's found out for us that yes they have requested a bigger house and don't wish to move village, ie want the lovely 4 bed that many folks would have paid €250k for at the time. We're searching around for options as to what we can do if anything. Looks like our best bet maybe (according to councilor) if they get the house simply plaguing the cops and council with calls every time there's a visit to the house of somebody collecting or dropping off their supply until the council get sick of it and move them to an area they are more suited to. To me this is fraught with problems and possible intimidation as once they get into what is a very fine house compared to where they are now I suspect shifting them maybe so difficult. If anyone has similar experience they can offer any assistance on we are all ears.


Many thanks.
 
had a similar situation in my home village, family of criminals were moved from the city out into a country village. There were a number of serious anti-social issues and break-ins after they arrived. The council did nothing until one of them pointed a gun at the guards and only then were they moved on (3 of them were jailed at the same time which made it easier).

The attached may also help (go to page 19) but my experience is that you will have to let them move in before the council will do anything to move them out

http://www.flac.ie/download/pdf/neighbour_disputes.pdf
 
Thanks for the reply, albeit a rather depressing one. Really is BS that this stuff can be allowed happen. Are there no Garda vetting standards in place before these people are allocated a nice house in a nice area and potentially ruining it for the rest of us all because they are having children they need the state to provide a bigger house for and wouldn't like to move village, God forbid they'd be inconvenienced.

I've no problem with decent people who need a leg up getting help from the State but the likes of this is infuriating. Where they live now there are with birds of a feather if you will and they now because that house isn't big enough they'd like to move into the newly free 4 bed detached on the tax-payer whilst the rest of us may soon have to put up with a constant stream of drug buyers and sellers coming by our door day and night and God knows what else. It's a great little country. :mad:
 
just a thought, if you have a management company, check the rules of the company to see if there is anything about anti-social behaviour, even if there is an allowance to rent out the property (you never know whats in some rules). You can try getting something added to the rules if you need to. As its such a small development, i'm sure that the other neighbours would all vote in favour of a proposal (council probably wont even turn up).

Make it as difficult as possible for the council to rent out the house without being in breach of the rules.
 
Live and let live. Until they actually move in and cause you grief you cannot stand in their way. If he is a drug dealer why is he not in gaol?
 
jim said:
Live and let live. Until they actually move in and cause you grief you cannot stand in their way. If he is a drug dealer why is he not in gaol?
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Do you think all of the small time drug dealers in rural Ireland are in jail? Their house currently has a steady flow of cars coming and going, mainly with dodgy looking young men and a steady flow of the travelling community going to the door and quickly leaving again, I don't imagine it's for jelly tots but heh maybe we're all wrong. This is common knowledge in the area for ages. Why he's not in jail? I don't know, maybe because the cops haven't the resources to lift all of these folks. But because he's not in jail isn't a reason for residents who want to live peacefully and who have done for years to want to block him arriving into our lives and have his customers going by our houses to get to what might be his. If you were in our shoes I very much doubt your solution would be 'live and let live'.
 
daheff said:
just a thought, if you have a management company, check the rules of the company to see if there is anything about anti-social behaviour, even if there is an allowance to rent out the property (you never know whats in some rules). You can try getting something added to the rules if you need to. As its such a small development, i'm sure that the other neighbours would all vote in favour of a proposal (council probably wont even turn up).

Make it as difficult as possible for the council to rent out the house without being in breach of the rules.
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unfortunately the estate is one of the many currently in the process of being taken over by the council as a few items were unfinished by the developer who has since like many others, gone bust and therefore no management company. We have until it's taken in charge an informal residents association for stuff like grass cutting and small maintenance tasks. That's it at present.
 
jim said:
Live and let live. Until they actually move in and cause you grief you cannot stand in their way. If he is a drug dealer why is he not in gaol?
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All over Europe there are criminals who are not in jail in the end. As described by daheff there are possibilities to stand in their way already now or prepare the ground for further action.
You don't have to accept everything.
 
You may not like these people but they have a right to live there just like the op does. They may be criminals they may not be criminals it sounds like the op certainly has a hunch that they are and in any case if he has evidence to that affect he should go to the Gardai. The op's cyncisim stinks - too bad if his idealistic hosuing estate has been brought down a peg by a family that he considers to be undesirable moving in. He should get off his high horse and welcome his new neighbors with a gift and extend the hand of friendship and hospitality. Live and let live.

Also, what exactly is the op's question or his he just blowing off steam?

Try talking to your prospective neighbour, try old fashioned conversing and perhaps ask him directly is he drug dealing and let him know your concerns. Dont pass judgement until you know the facts. No point in cowering behind your computer if this is something of such concern to you. Man up.
 
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jim said:
You may not like these people but they have a right to live there just like the op does. They may be criminals they may not be criminals it sounds like the op certainly has a hunch that they are and in any case if he has evidence to that affect he should go to the Gardai. The op's cyncisim stinks - too bad if his idealistic hosuing estate has been brought down a peg by a family that he considers to be undesirable moving in. He should get off his high horse and welcome his new neighbors with a gift and extend the hand of friendship and hospitality. Live and let live.

Also, what exactly is the op's question or his he just blowing off steam?
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You're entitled to whatever opinion you hold Jim but my query is merely trying to suss out if there is any action we as residents can take to potentially block a known drug dealer from moving in beside us. If you cannot see our rationale in that I'm not sure what else I'm meant to say to you. I can let anyone live and let live until they shack up beside me and my kids and do what they do, then low and behold I'm inclined to try and take action if there's anything that can be done. I (and the rest of my current neighbours) would rather not have to go through the process of facing these down via reports to the guards and council if they arrive but if we have to we will. You might be happy with them dealing away beside you but where I'm from we're not.
 
Possible drug dealer or know drug dealer?

I just dont understand your misgiving here. These people have done nothing to harm you or your neightbours. What have they done wrong in general? You simply do not like these people and are speculating on their future conduct and its impact on your family without any evidence. Chill your beans my man. Until these so called known drug dealers actually commit a crime then they are allowed to live how they want (within reason of course) and where they want. I dont think you or your neighbours should be allowed to bycott a families decision to live in your housing estate based on your hunch about them. Am i missing something? Do you not see how this comes across as snobbery on your part in the absence of any facts or evidence that they are criminals? Arent you just having a moan?
 
Having said all of that i do appreciate your position. If it were me and my family and a convicted drug dealer moved next door and began dealing drugs then i would not be happy and would certainly take action. But are these convicted drug dealers and if so can the gardai not intervene? On the other hand if they are a family that i suspect is dealing drugs then i dont think the gardai can do anything per se but i would certainly try and speak to them to articualte my concern and go from there. They might even be sound! Have an open mind and be a generous human.
 
jim said:
Possible drug dealer or know drug dealer?

I just dont understand your misgiving here. These people have done nothing to harm you or your neighbours. What have they done wrong in general? You simply do not like these people and are speculating on their future conduct and its impact on your family without any evidence. Chill your beans my man. Until these so called known drug dealers actually commit a crime then they are allowed to live how they want (within reason of course) and where they want. I dont think you or your neighbours should be allowed to bycott a families decision to live in your housing estate based on your hunch about them. Am i missing something? Do you not see how this comes across as snobbery on your part in the absence of any facts or evidence that they are criminals? Arent you just having a moan?
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No snobbery or bullsh*t here thanks Jim. The person in question has previous convictions for dealing, was previously run out of another (council) estate and is still in 'business'. Said family have also links via marriage to local travelers. These are facts, no something I've just imagined. I'm also not the person from my estate who is spearheading our actions to see what can be done before it's too late and I'm pretty sure those that are are pretty far removed from snobs, very ordinary genuine people who are trying to make a stand.

Since you mention bullsh*t, this is what's bullsh*t. Local layabout drug dealer gets his missus pregnant again and since he already has 3 kids he needs a bigger free house down the road to house his expanding offspring courtesy of Mr Taxpayer. We're meant to be delighted and go around with a welcoming gift you say?
 
jim said:
Wow you sound like a nice guy
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I actually am a nice guy but your attitude of sure let them move ahead in unopposed despite us knowing the problems they will bring got tiresome. If it were just me I'd probably not give as much of a hoot but I've 2 small kids who will also have to live side by side with them and you get kinda protective of them, not sure if you have any. I'm done arguing the merits of opposing drug dealers as neighbours anyway with you. Hope none ever rock up beside you Jim, you'll be out with your live and let live philosophy then too I'm sure.
 
OP comes across sanctimonious but is right to be concerned. One of the problems with drug dealers, small or large, is that commercial disputes are resolved in a violent manner. Unfortunately I've witnessed a resolution, and it was scary. Deeply unsettling. And I'm an adult. The children on the road were traumatised beyond belief. It was a beautiful estate but one sloppy landlord, in receipt of rent allowance on behalf of a single mother who was unable or unwilling to run an orderly house, let a horrendous situation develop. OP should fight tooth and nail to prevent something similar from happening.

Might be worth contacting the landlord. If the proposed tenants have criminal convictions the landlord might be able to veto them. And for a really far out suggestion, if the OP and neighbours feel strongly about this would they consider trying to buy the house off the landlord? 17 people ponying up €20k a head would probably pull it off.
 
We had a fairly smalltime drug dealer living very near us. He was a good neighbour and was responsible for all the ASBO behaviour suddenly evaporating. Since he sold out the creepy young ASBO merchants are back.
 
Of course he's right to be concerned. He's prob paying a whopper of a mortgage. And in are put anti socials by the council - lovely house for free and carry on as normal. The estate I live in is ruined by some of the people living here in houses that are rented out. Its ruined by the type of people put in and the fact that the houses aren't maintained. The people like the op is talking about will draw more of their own sort to the area. Fight back while u can
 
jim said:
Possible drug dealer or know drug dealer?

I just dont understand your misgiving here. These people have done nothing to harm you or your neightbours. What have they done wrong in general? You simply do not like these people and are speculating on their future conduct and its impact on your family without any evidence. Chill your beans my man. Until these so called known drug dealers actually commit a crime then they are allowed to live how they want (within reason of course) and where they want. I dont think you or your neighbours should be allowed to bycott a families decision to live in your housing estate based on your hunch about them. Am i missing something? Do you not see how this comes across as snobbery on your part in the absence of any facts or evidence that they are criminals? Arent you just having a moan?
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The naivety if some of the posters on here is startling. If you live in a rural town or village, everyone knows who the local criminals and drug dealers are and where they live. They don't seem to view prison as a deterrent and the revolving door policy sees them in and out in a short period of time or getting a suspended sentence which is meaningless or a fine which is just seen by them as a cost of doing business. I pass the house of one dealer on my way to taking my kids to school in a country town, it has bullet holes in the door from where it was shot up a while back. The family were rehoused half a mile away and his new neighbours now live in fear. There aren't enough gardai around to properly police them.
 
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