Hmmmm, if you talk to people on the street as dogmatically as you've been talking on here, I'm not surprised nobody disagreed with you...
As for the male suicide rate, could you elaborate on what the "this" you refer to is, which explains the suicide rate..?
Edit: I'm a man by the way, and not a feminist at all, but you seem to have been "busy" being indoctrinated for the last 3 years and your posting has a bit of a fanatical zeal to it - maybe it's just me but I'd suggest you dial down the intensity a couple of notches to get a better reaction...
Indoctrinated.....no...I've been busy opening my eyes actually.
The suicide rate between men and women was approx 2-1 back in the 1970's
Now it is over 5-1 and increasing all the time.
If you frame it so that feminists are by definition men hating radicals, then of course most rational people, even those of the same gender will be against that. But them to do so would involve deliberately lying.
Most women I know, in fact I'll go as far as all of them, consider themselves feminists. They don't meet your portraite of feminists, but they believe in equality. I believe in equality. We all agree.
I could paint a picture of an evil capitalist or a radical communist and get everyone to agree we hate them. Yet they aren't representative of either the left or the right, they just happen to be the vocal minority.
There is no agenda to bash men. Let's have examples, actually scratch that, let's have a full and complete list of how men are treated unfavourably to women. All of them. With proof and with references.
And I'm sorry, to even begin to link your men's rights agenda (which as a man I do detest that whole movement) and feminism being a reason for the high rate of suicide is complete tosh.
Feminism has nothing at all to do with male suicide. Complete lack of mental health care and also social stigma to mental health maybe. But I can't find any link between feminism and the state and society's lack of address and care for mental health.
Young men are more likely to die in car accidents, I suppose that is also as a result of feminism.
The most complete study I've seen (by the [broken link removed]) paints a very different picture on domestic abuse. But it's easy to ignore that one because it takes a different view and shows women are more at risk.
I have several feminists who I deal with regularly on facebook, they don't hate men.
They say they believe in equality and justice and fairness for all, just like me and the people I deal with.
However they are not the ones who have any power over anything of importance....just like most feminists who believe in equality.
I'm proud to say I have managed to convince many people that feminism has literally nothing to do with equality at all and has
never had anything to do with equality.
Regarding the state's response to suicide of males, they've done damn all about it.
Compare that to the Scottish govt and their response where they went into schools and football clubs and spoke to the boys themselves.
Regarding the crime council report, there is something you missed and that is that when it comes to domestic abuse it has to be reported for it to be listed.
29% of women who suffer domestic abuse will go to the police.
As compared to only 5% of men.
The reasons men do not complain is shame plus I know of several men who did complain only to be laughed at by Gardai or ended up being arrested themselves.
Then there was a Judge who called a male victim of domestic abuse a rude name (starts with a 'P' ends with a 'Y' and means a cat) and told him to go home to his wife.
I don’t think that anyone doubts that domestic abuse is more of an issue for women than men. I don’t think that anyone doubts that men are more prone to violence and that they are generally stronger and more physically intimidating than women. The report that Latrade quotes is very comprehensive and the statistics indicate that women are more than twice as likely to experience severe abuse than men... but men still make up about 30% of those victims.
The national debate on this issue is focused almost exclusively on female victims and people who raise the issue of male victims are considered to be cranks. Not only that male victims seem to be fair game to ridicule and laugh at. The fact that women are 6 times more likely to report abuse than men seems to back this up.
Domestic abuse is a serious issue but it’s not a gender specific issue and it is fundamentally sexist to treat it as such.
The fact that the body which advises the government on domestic abuse is called “The National Steering Committee on Violence Against Women” is telling. The state is failing all victims of domestic abuse but it is almost totally ignoring 0% of the victims.
I got a letter recently from the Minister of Justice where she stated that the victims of domestic abuse was 29% female and 26% male.
That's as close to gender parity as can be.
Well people do dispute that (the Men's Rights groups especially (who don't believe in the concept of marital rape)).
This all comes down to manipulation of statistics and a difficulty getting statistics.
The absolute best guess is that domestic violence as a whole is split 60/40 women to men. So that still has women in a significant majority. However, it is the type and form of violence that is a concern in that women are far, far more likely to suffer serious assault requiring hospitalisation and sexual assault.
And then there's all the rubbish spoken about how much support there is for female domestic abuse over men. Have people actually seen the support? it's paultry. Yes men have virtually no support, but it's not like there are 5 star hotels waiting for women sufferers. They are mostly charities, mostly run by volunteers and deal daily with women (and children) who have suffered horrendous long term abuse. It's not a place women go for a weekend break from their partner, they want out of a violent relationship because they fear for the safety of theirs and their children's lives.
Again, from all the amalgamated statistics, women are 70% more likely to suffer serious assault and sexual assault. Why can't they have advocates to help prevent this? Why does there have to be a suspicion or accusation that it is drivign an agenda against men.
In any other circumstances where we had a 70% majority, that would be our priority to sort out.
Advocate groups are just that, they have a specific remit and they wish to have the voice of those they represent heard. It isn't deliberately down playing or belittling domestic abuse against men, it is just focussing on the most common victims of domestic abuse and trying to help them.
You are going to have to show me where any member of the Men's Human Rights Movement has ever stated that rape can't happen in marriage.
I deal with many of them and have yet to see any of them say anything similar to what you've said.
Just to put you straight here according to Irish law wives cannot rape their husbands but the husbands can rape their wives.
One of the problems with all the statistics produced is they fail to mention
WHO started the violence in the first place.
As it happens in around 70% of instances it is women who start it, you can see this happen with the Ray Rice incident, she strikes him 3 times before he responded.
Strange you mention the holiday aspect about the shelters.
I am told that 48% of their clients are Travellers, however they call the refuges 'Hostels'.
The underlined bit is the part I refer to now.
Note the part in the speech where he refers to
http://www.ihrc.ie/publications/list/speech-at-the-eu-presidency-conference-on-violence/
'In Ireland the traditional viewpoint that domestic violence is a private matter rather than a social crime has been slow to change. Resistance to moving forward public policy in this domain has been strong and recent years in Ireland have seen a new level of hostility develop towards the issue as vocal groups argue that men are as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women. Our workshop participants find that the net effect of this lobby has been a tendency in policy arenas not to address gender in regard to the issue of violence against women. ... Considerable time and energy are devoted by women's groups and front line services, including those in our consultation, countering this backlash - to the detriment of service provision and the support of women experiencing violence.'
So please do not tell me they are not deliberately down playing domestic abuse against men.
This is true, but the problem comes from those advocating men. It'd be fine if it were along the lines of lobbying and supporting men. In the same way that women had to get up and help themselves, find their own properties, create their own charities, create their own services, while still looking for public support.
The response via Men's Rights is to attack the statistics, attack the concept of feminism, belittle and denigrate their cause. It is utterly abhorent and not even remotely helpful to addressing the areas where there is a need for support services for men.
The essential problem seems to be (with MRAs) seething anger at women for having the audacity to be right that they are more at risk of domestic violence, more at risk of sexual assault, more at risk of serious physical harm and more at risk of being killed in a domestic situation than men. That they had to group together to set up their own support and care services on a meagre budget and good will and that, heaven forbid, they aren't quiet about their experiences and would like some help in preventing it.
I'm am 100% behind any need to provide support for any victim of domestic abuse, but that isn't achieved by attacking the victims just because they're getting more attention.
Many MRAs are female and they don't hate themselves.
They do however despise feminism.
The woman who started the shelters in the UK is Erin Pizzey.
She is most definitely not a feminist and when she was doing it she used to take everyone in regardless of gender.
She was forced to go into exile by feminists after death threats were issued to her and her family and they then killed her dog.
Feminists will not allow any boy over the age of 12 into their shelters, even if it means a boy has to go him to a violent father.
I've never heard any man deny that forced sex in a marriage is rape.
I have certainly never heard ay group publically state that the concept is flawed.
On both points I am open to correction but I would be truly shocked if I'm wrong.
I've never heard any man or woman say it either.
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To add to the original post.
I offer the recent EU wide survey on violence against Women.
http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra-2014-vaw-survey-technical-report-1_en.pdf
Drafting the questionnaire, it was important to avoid terms such as ‘rape’, ‘violence’ or ‘stalking’, because different women might have different preconceived ideas on the types of violence usually associated with these terms, and the types of perpetrators involved.
Essentially women cannot decide for themselves whether they've been violated or not.
Regarding violence in relationships if women were really at risk from violence from men then the level of violence in lesbian relationships would be lower than that of heterosexual relationships.
However lesbian relationships are over twice as dangerous as that of heterosexual relationships.
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