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Last night on ITV after the Ireland V Spain game he had a go at the Irish fans because they were singing their heads of after being beaten by Spain what should they have done cry their eyes out ? as the saying goes laugh and the world laughs with you weep and you weep alone . Who is Roy Keane going to be slagging off next . The man is a ar*ehole
 
No he wasn't! Don't kid yourself DB74, for this group of players to qualify for the Euros is an achievement in itself. The Irish fans are entitled to enjoy themselves over there, it's not often they get the chance!
 
No-one is expecting them to win it. But the 2 performances to-date have been a disgrace and certainly nothing to sing about or celebrate.

Where was the heart and fight-back demonstrated against Russia when we went 3-0 down at home in the qualifiers?

We shouldn't be just happy with getting there. Getting there should be a minimum acceptable standard for Irish soccer.

As I've said elsewhere Scotland scored 3 against Spain in qualifying and the Swiss beat them in 2010. Are we worse or better than those 2 teams?
 
Ceist Beag said:
No he wasn't! Don't kid yourself DB74, for this group of players to qualify for the Euros is an achievement in itself. The Irish fans are entitled to enjoy themselves over there, it's not often they get the chance!
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Hear Hear and so say all of us
 
As much as I like Roy Keane, last night he really annoyed me!!

The Irish supporters have travelled around the world supporting the boys in green, getting behind them no matter what.... Roy Keane himself knows this so well, yet he decides to criticise them when they are at their very best, while a minority of other teams fans are being shown as hooligans, racists and so on.

The world sat up and applauded our fans last night. The Spanish manager, Del Bosque said "The Irish fans have shown us what football really is". A fan should support his or her team or country no matter what! We qualified for a major tournament for the first time in 10 years and a European championship for the first time in 24 years.

Imagine the amount of Irish supporters out in Poland who have never seen Ireland competing in the finals of this competition. Roy Keane should be thanking the fans for their continued support not lashing out at them for only going for a 'sing-song'.

Roy - Keep up the good work on British TV!!

Two big positives to come out of the Euro's so far - Poland, a beautiful country and well worth visiting and our fans. Incredible!!

"STAND UP FOR THE FANS IN GREEN"
 
DB74 said:
We shouldn't be just happy with getting there. Getting there should be a minimum acceptable standard for Irish soccer.
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Do you want to list off a team of 11 players for me that are playing at the highest level in any of the European leagues that could wear the Irish shirt?? We have a team of talent who are coming to the end of their careers, and the rest are players who cannot even get their games for Championship sides....

The style of play that Giovanni had us playing in the qualifiers made us difficult to beat, but we were also very lucky too. But when you get to the level we are playing now in Poland, up against a side that has the best midfielders probably ever put together, another team who are technically brilliant and another who hardly concede goal, we have the luck of the Irish to be even at this tournament and we should be happy that we have something to cheer on instead of failing to qualify as we have done since 1988 (euro's) and 2002 (world cup).

Irish soccer is an absolute disgrace and has been for a long time! Ask any coach of underage football and they will tell you that we are simply not producing kids with talent anymore. The Spanish and Dutch have systems in place that protect and encourage young children, help them develop skills and allow them to play football. We have a system where kids play on full size pitches and some kids hardly ever get a touch of the ball in a game.

If you want to understand more on our problems and possible ways on solving them check out The Coach Diary, run by an irish guy who spent his childhood playing football in Portugal and had spells at Sporting Lisbon. A great read!
 
DB74 said:
Where was the heart and fight-back demonstrated against Russia when we went 3-0 down at home in the qualifiers?

We shouldn't be just happy with getting there. Getting there should be a minimum acceptable standard for Irish soccer.
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Russia played us off the park in both games.
We are not as good as we think we are. We rode our luck a lot to get here. We beat Estonia in the play-offs. They are ranked 57 in the world. Spain and Croatia are 1 and 8 respectively.
Our style is too predictable for the big teams.
 
Of course I can't name a team of 11 top-class players who are able to compete for the European Championship but the performances from the players we do have was woefully short of what should be expected.

Can you name one player in the Irish team who played to the best of their ability in either of the 2 matches so far?

In terms of players that could/should be there, Darren Gibson and Seamus Coleman both play for Everton, who finished 7th in the Premiership last season. However, Coleman isn't even in the squad and Gibson was left on the bench while Trap brought on a player who can't agree terms with Derby County, Paul Green.

Denmark also has a team squad made up predominantly of journeyman pros but they have beaten Holland and were unlucky not to get a draw against Portugal, having pulled a 2-goal deficit back
 
RonanC said:
Irish soccer is an absolute disgrace and has been for a long time! Ask any coach of underage football and they will tell you that we are simply not producing kids with talent anymore. The Spanish and Dutch have systems in place that protect and encourage young children, help them develop skills and allow them to play football. We have a system where kids play on full size pitches and some kids hardly ever get a touch of the ball in a game.

If you want to understand more on our problems and possible ways on solving them check out The Coach Diary, run by an irish guy who spent his childhood playing football in Portugal and had spells at Sporting Lisbon. A great read!
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Funny enough I posted basically the exact same thing on another forum after the Croatia game and linked to that website as well!
 
RonanC said:
As much as I like Roy Keane, last night he really annoyed me!!
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I agree. It was a stupid comment. I am all for being positive and not settling for brave defeats but we need a bit of realism. The fans there knew exactly what the story was and were simply showing their appreciation to the players for getting them there. Nothing wrong with that.

Roy just needs to cop himself on sometimes. He criticised UTD fans for not supporting their team when they needed it and then criticises the Ireland fans for doing exactly that.

Having said that, what a legend of a player. Spain wouldn't have won 4-0 if he had being playing last night.
 
Sunny said:
Having said that, what a legend of a player. Spain wouldn't have won 4-0 if he had being playing last night.
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Just as well that he was good at football though as there's not much else to like or admire about the man.

This, in my very limited view, is probably the worst squad we have had in 30 years. It’s a miracle we qualified.
The fans were fantastic. I don’t know about the “best fans in the world” bit as I don’t know every sport in every country in world but as European soccer fans go they are hard to beat.
 
DB74 said:
Denmark also has a team squad made up predominantly of journeyman pros but they have beaten Holland and were unlucky not to get a draw against Portugal, having pulled a 2-goal deficit back
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Denmark are ranked 9th in the World. Their players play at a higher level than the Irish team. See how many of those journeyman pros have played champions league football compared to our guys.
 
Ireland are ranked 18th in the World

Merely playing in the Champions League is no guarantee of playing at a decent level week in week out. Shamrock Rovers played in the Champions League this season. Does that mean that their players are better than some of the Ireland players.

I would put the Danish squad at slightly better then Ireland's, but they are certainly performing at a far superior level
 
Purple said:
It’s a miracle we qualified.
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Not a miracle. We were in a very weak group, benefitted from some fortituous results* between other teams in the group, got spanked by Russia in Lansdowne and were blessed with a play-off against Estonia.

* Russia 0-1 Slovakia, Armenia 3-1 Slovakia, Slovakia 0-4 Armenia, Macedonia 1-1 Slovakia.

Actually, maybe all of the above constitutes a miracle ;) !
 
The fans were spine tingly last night - to see/hear them for the last ten minutes was a pleasure and made me proud to be Irish.
 
Roy Keane IMO is simply frustated, like most soccer people, with how and who we play. He (as compared to Shearer and Redknapp et al.) isnt afraid to say what he really thinks.

We should be more than a sing along team. I wouldve been sickened if i'd gone over to Poland to see that, both performances were a disgrace. Team selection, tactics, substitutions all awful.

Simon Cox is not a left winger, why was he brought on there against Croatia?
Why bring on McClean when the game is over?
Why is Shane Long suddenly so far down the pecking order?
How is Paul Green ahead of Seamus Coleman and Darren Gibson - he doesnt even have a club for God's sake?
Why does Aidan McGeady recently have a complete inability to keep the ball for more than two seconds?
Why do our midfielders dont want the ball, so many times Dunne, O'Shea and St Ledger had nobody but Given to pass to when pressed by Torres and Xavi?
Ward is not a good enough left back, how many goals did we concede from the left side this tournament, I think nearly all of them. Similarly McGeady doensnt know how to track back, which doubles the issue.

I could go on and on but its too frustrating!
 
elefantfresh said:
The fans were spine tingly last night - to see/hear them for the last ten minutes was a pleasure and made me proud to be Irish.
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The tricolour wigs, the leprechaun suits, the photos of comatose fans, the self-designated 'best fans in de wurrild' - none of that stirs national pride in me.

Or this.
 
Yes Sir said:
Hear Hear and so say all of us
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Speak for yourself. I think Roy made some valid points.

Last night wasn't good enough. Spain are more skillful no doubt but they also worked harder than us, they pressed us constantly. I have never seen an Irish team looking so lacklustre. Concentration levels were poor. Some of them looked unfit. Not good enough.
 
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