Vodafone tv play

Are you still within the 14 day cooling off period so could pull out of the contract. Seems madness and very annoying.
 
That's a pretty big issue that should be highlighted. It never crossed my mind that the likes of these services could be so useless. I have a Freesat box to get all these channel for free, and can record, pause, rewind, etc. It always slightly ticked me off that the option to watch shows from the beginning wouldn't work (same issue with the player apps not working in Ireland), but I can see now is nothing to be complaining about.
 
Why don't the companies make an agreement?
A fee is added to gain access to the BBC player?
If the BBC is objecting, because licence fee pay for their service, this would be compensation. Or. God forbid, RTE and the BBC could just agree to share their iplayers, in both jurisdictions.
 
Allpartied said:
RTE and the BBC could just agree to share their iplayers, in both jurisdictions.
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It's not a matter that RTE and BBC could agree on, all the content owners would need to sign up to such an agreement and they prefer the current model of negotiating region by region.
 
Leo said:
It's not a matter that RTE and BBC could agree on, all the content owners would need to sign up to such an agreement and they prefer the current model of negotiating region by region.
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But all UK channels are available , through legal, regulated providers, in Ireland. As all Irish channels are available in the UK, through the same providers.
The query here is about being able to record, or catch up on scheduled programmes, when you can't watch them at the appropriate time.
So, I'm still struggling to see how the provision of players, or catch up services, would breach any copyright, or legal issues.
It does seem to be a step backwards, as others have stated, with access to programmes now worse than they were in the 1980's.
 
Allpartied said:
But all UK channels are available , through legal, regulated providers, in Ireland. As all Irish channels are available in the UK, through the same providers.
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Yes, and they've all negotiated payment and viewing terms for that with the content owners. The content owners are the ones who decide whether to license their content for cloud storage and streaming services in most cases they will already have alternative streaming agreements in place that prohibit licensing other streaming providers, or they want more that the broadcasters want to pay for those rights. Vodafone's use of cloud storage means conflicts with existing contract terms on streaming. Channel 4 make most of their online service available here, but block certain programs they're not licensed to show here. BBC iPlayer and Freeview both operate region blocking to prevent use in Ireland.

What provider makes all the Irish channels available all over the UK? There is overlapping of UK territory of both terrestrial and Saorsat broadcasts, but that's just a byproduct of ensuring full ROI coverage.
 
Leo said:
Yes, and they've all negotiated payment and viewing terms for that with the content owners. The content owners are the ones who decide whether to license their content for cloud storage and streaming services in most cases they will already have alternative streaming agreements in place that prohibit licensing other streaming providers, or they want more that the broadcasters want to pay for those rights. Vodafone's use of cloud storage means conflicts with existing contract terms on streaming. Channel 4 make most of their online service available here, but block certain programs they're not licensed to show here. BBC iPlayer and Freeview both operate region blocking to prevent use in Ireland.

What provider makes all the Irish channels available all over the UK? There is overlapping of UK territory of both terrestrial and Saorsat broadcasts, but that's just a byproduct of ensuring full ROI coverage.
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Previously, the programmes were recordable, via hard drives in the TV set. It appears the change is the cloud storage, now used by the media companies, like Vodafone. This creates a number of legal issues for the BBC and other UK providers.
Thanks for the explanation, it makes things clearer.

This kind of issue is mainly effecting Irish viewers, as they watch BBC programmes in large numbers. There are very few UK viewers looking to watch RTE programmes. For all that these companies, Sky, Vodafone claim to be Irish, they make decisions based on cold commercial business plans. The Irish viewers are not a major concern to them.
Maybe, an Irish company, could stick to the old system of allowing Irish viewers to record the programmes to their TV hard drives. It might make commercial sense for a smaller company to do that.
 
If all you're interested in is the RTE, BBC, ITV or Channel 4\5 offerings, it's possible to get a TV box that allows pause and record at no cost (apart from the initial cost of the box).

I left sky a number of years ago, bought a box (zGemma h7s) which allows me to record from either saorview or free to air satellite stations.
 
Allpartied said:
Previously, the programmes were recordable, via hard drives in the TV set. It appears the change is the cloud storage, now used by the media companies, like Vodafone. This creates a number of legal issues for the BBC and other UK providers.
Thanks for the explanation, it makes things clearer.
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Yep, and you can still record locally without restriction. Most modern TVs have built-in recorders for this purpose, just add a USB stick or drive for storage. Licensing concerns also means these recordings are restricted to playback on that TV only though.

Allpartied said:
Maybe, an Irish company, could stick to the old system of allowing Irish viewers to record the programmes to their TV hard drives. It might make commercial sense for a smaller company to do that.
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A smaller company would find it difficult to get to the table to negotiate rights, and you need scale for TV services. With Sky putting their installers on notice that they're pulling back from satellite in favour of streaming (suggesting they may not renew their Astra licensing beyond 2028) it may not be too long before streaming is the only option and as a very small market, we'll have fewer options.
 
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