And the people were cheated by putting their faith in politicians who were so easily hoodwinked.
The Difficult task of Public Service reform.
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Communism is a form of socialism, you can hardly argue differently. And Cuba's health system is abysmal despite the likes of Michael Moore portraying it as some mythical success story.
It's the other way round, politicians created a system through regulations that made it impossible for small new financial institutions to be created, thus resulting in a small number of companies growing ever larger. And just because a company is large does not mean that it cannot be let fail.
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trow away the key
they should lock them all up trow away the key.
they should lock them all up trow away the key.
Excellent contribution Ed - pithy & to the point.
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Do you have a lisp, Deise?
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Very easy way to save money in the public sector at one fell swoop would be to limit pay increments to the top 25% of performers in any given year.
Also the Croke Park Agreement should be torn up. It's completely unaffordable.
To get a dramatic saving, with no impact on front line services - immediately cut all public sector pay and welfare by at least 10%. With our dole and Old Age Pensions often more than twice the level of the UK, there is no case to keep payout so high.
There are a whole bunch of payments that could be stopped or cut right down - child allowance being the first of them, and all these payments for First Communion outfits.
Also the Croke Park Agreement should be torn up. It's completely unaffordable.
To get a dramatic saving, with no impact on front line services - immediately cut all public sector pay and welfare by at least 10%. With our dole and Old Age Pensions often more than twice the level of the UK, there is no case to keep payout so high.
There are a whole bunch of payments that could be stopped or cut right down - child allowance being the first of them, and all these payments for First Communion outfits.
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Cutting all public sector workers' pay by 10% and further fundamentally altering the terms of their employment by withdrawing increments from the majority of workers, and you think it won't affect front line services...
Good one!!
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Cutting all public sector workers' pay by 10% and further fundamentally altering the terms of their employment by withdrawing increments from the majority of workers, and you think it won't affect front line services...
How would it?
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Hmmm, I can't tell if you're being serious or not! Well it's pretty much a certainty that there would be industrial action on a massive scale if such sweeping changes were implemented unilaterally. Strikes and work to rules, which would hugely impact on front line services (whatever these are), and the behind-front-line support services without which there could be no front line services...
Ah no, you're right. I'm sure the whole public sector would just lie down and take it!!
No they wont lie down and take it , but IMO they will take it eventually .
Do you agree that anybody who relies on the Public purse for their income is in for some serious cuts in the coming year ?
I think weather the public vote yes or no to the treaty this is the only certainty.
Public service/welfare reform is not going to be a pleasant process but it is a process that has to be tackled .
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Leaving aside the welfare issue, I agree completely that further reform in the public sector is needed, but people need to be aware of the consequence of tearing up the Croke Park agreement - it would effectively be the end of social partnership.
I'm still the right side of 30 and not politically interested TBH, but my older colleagues in the PS tell me that social partnership effectively sidelined the unions, relative to how things were back in the 70's & 80's.
So if you tear up social partnership, an inevitable consequence will be an even higher level of union activism, more industrial actions, strikes etc... and the creation of a hostile environment where it could become very difficult to implement change.
There would also be a knock on economic effect; presently public sector workers may feel they have some degree of stability (under the CPA). If this is taken away, and wages cut further, with no certainty about whether there'll be yet more cuts still to come, then you'll have another class of people who will stop spending money in the economy and plough all their disposable income into savings... that's more jobs lost in the private sector.
Costs vs benefits... not always as simple to weigh up as you might hope.
Yep, there's also be a big increase in mortgage default. Short sharp shocks aren't the answer.
I agree that the Croke Park agreement was and is a disaster but gutting state employees isn't the answer either.
I agree alot of what you said will come to pass if the CPA is torn up ,but remember it wont be Government that will tear it up ,it would be political suicide for any party , it will be our paymasters who will insist on it. They will drip feed our exchequer with bailout funds as it is implimented, the government will blame the IMF or ESM second bailout conditions and fiscal stability will be imposed one way or the other,unions and workers will eventually see the futility of their fight and Ireland will bump along the ground for a decade, Growth may eventually bring us back to a surplus which will be swallowed up by our massive interest on debts never mind capital repayments and Ireland will have been put back in its little box and told never to stick its head out again by Germany and France and we will have voted for it by agreeing to this treaty, will our kids every forgive us giving away our financial sovereignty ?
No i dont agree.
i believe a lot of private sector workers, plus a lot of unemployed people wish for cuts to public sector pay, but it wont happen. I think the cpa will see out its time, not sure what will happen then..
Tell me this. If we do what you suggest and vote no, how much will we have to take out the economy to balance our books in 2014 so we don't have to borrow?
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