Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
Unlike their businesses if stupid pay increases are given...
Unlike their businesses if stupid pay increases are given...
TEETU Dispute with the Electrical Contractors (REA's etc)
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Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
I know one guy quite well who employs around 10 electricians, his view on the deal is quite simple, to pay for it and to continue to balance his books and stay in business he'll have to make one of them redundant and the other 9 will have to pick up the slack. He's probably not the only employer who is in that position. So, on that basis, were his employees who went out on strike crazy and stupid? I think we know the answer to that
I know one guy quite well who employs around 10 electricians, his view on the deal is quite simple, to pay for it and to continue to balance his books and stay in business he'll have to make one of them redundant and the other 9 will have to pick up the slack. He's probably not the only employer who is in that position. So, on that basis, were his employees who went out on strike crazy and stupid? I think we know the answer to that
Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
"forever" ,God,what union are you in!!..Do the grandkids inherit the 1.25 a week and then on and on or what?
"forever" ,God,what union are you in!!..Do the grandkids inherit the 1.25 a week and then on and on or what?
Re: NEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
I beg to differ - the so called compromise is in fact another nail in the coffin of our economy. Here we have workers in the most severly impacted sector of the economy (employment levels down by 50% and falling) arguing that they are 'entitled' to a certain income level under the terms of a Registered Employment Agreement (REA). What a brilliant idea - why don't we all contract to REAs, lets say, with a minimum pay level of €25/hour. Now, if everyone in the country is paid this rate, then according to the 'brothers' logic, the race to the bottom will be stopped in its tracks, as all tenders for work would be pitched at the same price - perhaps contracts would be awarded on some other criteria e.g. best looking workers, or funniest worker or cleverest worker. We could all live happily every after......One slight problem though......for this to work, we would need the rest of the world to agree to pay us above market prices to sustain our utopia.....all we need to do is persuade the other 6 billion people on the planet that we are 'special' and should be allowed to defy the fundamental laws of economics. Alternatively, and apologies in advance for the riduculus suggestion - we could recognise that we have priced ourselves out of world markets, and that no one owes us a living, and to attain a reasonable and sustainable standard of living we will have to compete, in terms of price, quality and service - at home and abroad................mad or what........
I beg to differ - the so called compromise is in fact another nail in the coffin of our economy. Here we have workers in the most severly impacted sector of the economy (employment levels down by 50% and falling) arguing that they are 'entitled' to a certain income level under the terms of a Registered Employment Agreement (REA). What a brilliant idea - why don't we all contract to REAs, lets say, with a minimum pay level of €25/hour. Now, if everyone in the country is paid this rate, then according to the 'brothers' logic, the race to the bottom will be stopped in its tracks, as all tenders for work would be pitched at the same price - perhaps contracts would be awarded on some other criteria e.g. best looking workers, or funniest worker or cleverest worker. We could all live happily every after......One slight problem though......for this to work, we would need the rest of the world to agree to pay us above market prices to sustain our utopia.....all we need to do is persuade the other 6 billion people on the planet that we are 'special' and should be allowed to defy the fundamental laws of economics. Alternatively, and apologies in advance for the riduculus suggestion - we could recognise that we have priced ourselves out of world markets, and that no one owes us a living, and to attain a reasonable and sustainable standard of living we will have to compete, in terms of price, quality and service - at home and abroad................mad or what........
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Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
DonDub...fantastic post. The unions will have you strung up.
DonDub...fantastic post. The unions will have you strung up.
How the hell are these agreements legal? People should be paid what they are worth, what they agree with their employer or customer. If anything like this was trashed out between business owners it would be called a cartel. Imagine if solicitors got together and agreed the minimum rates that they would charge per hour? It’s madness.
Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
It certainly is crazy, especially when you consider the variance of difficulty in electrical work available. Why does a guy working with PLCs or complicated automation projects get paid the same as a guy hauling cable?
I don't understand why the electricians themselves tolerate it?
It certainly is crazy, especially when you consider the variance of difficulty in electrical work available. Why does a guy working with PLCs or complicated automation projects get paid the same as a guy hauling cable?
I don't understand why the electricians themselves tolerate it?
Re: NEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
The employers in the context of resolving this dispute felt that a pay rise of 4.9% was sustainable - perhaps they know more than us about the sustainability of their industry ?
Re: NEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
Have you read any of the details posted above about this?
Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
Hi Purple,
Im about to post a related question (without the emotive language) concerning the background and history of REA's.
Does anyone know what the history and background of REA's is?
As far as I know REA's have been established by various acts of the Oireachtas and statutory instruments and are ipso facto legal. The legality of this particular REA is being challenged at present and we can await the outcome of the courts determination.
aj
Hi Purple,
Im about to post a related question (without the emotive language
) concerning the background and history of REA's.Does anyone know what the history and background of REA's is?
As far as I know REA's have been established by various acts of the Oireachtas and statutory instruments and are ipso facto legal. The legality of this particular REA is being challenged at present and we can await the outcome of the courts determination.
aj
Re: TEETU Eletricians Dispute (Eamon Devoy on Joe Duffy)
This thread relates to the TEETU Eletricians Dispute which is in the Private Sector.
There are tons of other threads dealing with the public sector.
Unrelated posts which do not deal with the TEETU Dispute with the Electrical Contractors have been moved here .
aj
moderator
This thread relates to the TEETU Eletricians Dispute which is in the Private Sector.
There are tons of other threads dealing with the public sector.
Unrelated posts which do not deal with the TEETU Dispute with the Electrical Contractors have been moved here .
aj
moderator
According to[broken link removed]on the NECI website:
"National Electrical Contractors of Ireland (NECI) welcome the decision by the members of AECI to reject the 4.9% pay increase (€1.05) as proposed in the non-binding recommendation from the Labour Court for the electricians working in the electrical contracting industry."
"National Electrical Contractors of Ireland (NECI) welcome the decision by the members of AECI to reject the 4.9% pay increase (€1.05) as proposed in the non-binding recommendation from the Labour Court for the electricians working in the electrical contracting industry."
This decision by AECI was not a surprise at all, 80% voted NO.
When one looks at the overall state of the Country, borrowing €400 million per week , it is astounding that we have Union leaders looking for pay increases!
Only yesterday we had the plant in Shannon citing our high cost base as a major factor in the decision to close their Plant in Ireland.
ECA are out on a limb now, AECI, NECI and the 3rd non alligned group are in unison on this one.
Secman
When one looks at the overall state of the Country, borrowing €400 million per week , it is astounding that we have Union leaders looking for pay increases!
Only yesterday we had the plant in Shannon citing our high cost base as a major factor in the decision to close their Plant in Ireland.
ECA are out on a limb now, AECI, NECI and the 3rd non alligned group are in unison on this one.
Secman
Lets be honest here - there really is no point in striking if everybody is on holidays is there ?
Interesting times ahead if employers can blithely ignore a Labour Court recommendation , if the Unions did that there would be murder !
The unions do it on a regular basis.
Lets be honest here, the strike was suspended for the Brothers holidays.
Lets get the facts right here, the Labour court issued a NON binding recommendation, so the 3 Employer bodies who said no, were within their rights to reject the proposal. A pay increase in the current Construction economic climate is simply "brain dead" logic. ( just got off the fence there)
Secman