McDowell the republican!

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I heard Minister McDowell claiming one time to be a republican and to be very proud of his republican roots!
Will these new proposals of greater co-operation between the RUC and the Gardai be regarded as a help to creating a 32 county Irish republic? Would i be right in saying -It basically will give the occupying forces the right to arrest suspects down here and allow Gardai to help in enforcing British rule in the 6 counties??
 
First of all the RUC no longer exists.

Secondly if the PSNI arrest terrorists and criminals be they republican or not then that's a good thing.

Organised crime in this country is clearly on a 32 county basis, so there's no harm allowing the policing to be more effective on a 32 country basis also.

As for the Gardai enforcing British Rule in the North. I'm more concerned with tackling the criminals right now than dealing with philosophical debates about a United Ireland, or British Rule.

Let's get the United Ireland issue off the table for 10 or 20 years and see if Nortern Ireland can become the kind of place I'd want in my country. Right now it's a basket case riddled with RA-FIA, sectarianism, childish posturing, hollow rhetoric, and blatant lies.

-Rd
 
Let's get the United Ireland issue off the table for 10 or 20 years and see if Nortern Ireland can become the kind of place I'd want in my country.

Yeah - but you don't even like your own country as far as I know having widely expressed your inclination to emigrate and given your erstwhile signature ("Two star country, five star costs" or whatever it was)! :p

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Adams, O Caolain, O Snodaigh et al would have us believe that you cannot be a republican unless you subscribe to an ideology of extreme socialism and you are also prepared to turn a blind eye to various degrees of violence, intimidation, vigilantism and occasionally murder. In other words, as George W Bush put it "if you're not with us you're against us". What a load of codswallop.

I have never voted for Michael McDowell or his party (and I can't see myself ever doing so) but he is a greater republican than the likes of Pearse McCauley or Martin Ferris. As is Dick Spring. As is John Bruton. As is Bertie Ahern. As is Mark Durkan. As is anyone who subscribes to the principles of democracy, the rule of law and basic individual freedoms.
 
Would i be right in saying -It basically will give the occupying forces the right to arrest suspects down here and allow Gardai to help in enforcing British rule in the 6 counties??
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Occupying forces? This isn't some newly invaded country were talking about here. If they weren't here there would be anarchy and the only reason that they are here is that the democratic majority wants them to be.

What would be wrong with the Gardai working in Northern Ireland? The more co-operation between the two police forces the more effective they are at solving crime and negating the exploitation of the border by the thugs masquerading as freedom fighters.
 
Adams, O Caolain, O Snodaigh et al would have us believe that you cannot be a republican unless you subscribe to an ideology of extreme socialism and you are also prepared to turn a blind eye to various degrees of violence, intimidation, vigilantism and occasionally murder.

Danny Morrison on Tonight with Vincent Browne last night claiming that "Republicans" (his brand/band presumably) gave up articles 2 & 3 as part of the peace process made me laugh. Most of his republicans didn't even have a vote on the matter in the first place! :rolleyes
 
Yeah - but you don't even like your own country as far as I know having widely expressed your inclination to emigrate
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I'm not sure I understand the point you're making.
I dislike lots of things about the Republic of Ireland, you're right, but I'd dislike it a whole lot more if SF and the Rafia were allowed to run amock unchecked and the slide to a United Ireland was to continue unquestioned by people in the Republic, as if it was some sort of panacea.

The current situation with SF is almost laughable. They bleet on about Evidence and nobody being convicted as if the very legal system that they despise was the only level of proof they'd accept. Of course every conviction is followed my claims of a miscarriage of justice.

They don't seem to realise that they are a political party. That they are (to quote Aldai Stevenson) "In The Court Of Public Opinion". If you have shown yourself to be a liar then it doesn't matter if you are lying in any one specific case, when you lose the trust of the political parties around you then proof of guilt is irrelovent.

-Rd
 
Never mind - the attempt at humour backfired (no pun intended in the context of this discussion).
 
Sorry, in retrospect I should have paid more attention to the emoticons. I get it now.

:)

-Rd
 
Geegee , here we go again.They are an occupying force. Ireland is a seperate island to the so called great britian. The Irish constitution recognises a 32 county Ireland, the majority of people on this Island dont want the brits here. On Sunday you will be watching the Irish Rugby team and not..... the 26 County plus the part of Ireland that is part of great britian rugby team. Could you by any small stretch of the imagianation be a west brit , will you be singing "sin low weak chariot " on Sunday. :)
 
Let's get the United Ireland issue off the table for 10 or 20 years and see if Nortern Ireland can become the kind of place I'd want in my country.
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Who says it's YOUR country? Ireland belongs to ALL the people of this island, not just you pukes living south of the border.
 
"Occupying forces........." aren't they the ones running the protection rackets, doing the old Padre Pio tricks, robbing Monica's laptops not to mention the bank jobs, leaving the overturned tankers full of dodgy diesel and killing the odd mother / Garda.

It's great to see the old Shinners caught in the headlights and trying to deflect the attention about Bobby Sands being called a criminal to divert attention from Jerry McCabe and Jean McConville murders (after all Big Bad Bobby was in jail for a long stretch wasn't he).

And where has she gone? Not so long ago every radio stations was singing Hello Mary Lou... not a peep out of her since the money started leaking......

Fair play to Bertie & McDowell - they're playing a blinder and it's about time the various governments stopped trying to accomodate the boys with the big summer houses in Donegal.

Roy
 
Geegee , here we go again.They are an occupying force.

So are the Celts. They invaded, raped and pillaged the Picts so if you want the throw all of the occupying forces out of Ireland include all of the Celts aswell. The Normans were invited over here and they remain due to the democratic will of the voters in Northern Ireland.

Ireland is a seperate island to the so called great britian.
Correct - Great britain and Northern Ireland is the way it is termed. Tut, tut, you need to press "shift" on your keyboard for uppercase "G" and "B".
The Irish constitution recognises a 32 county Ireland, the majority of people on this Island dont want the brits here.

The majority of the Northern Irish do. The "armed struggle" has been so counter productive - how could the British be seen to withdraw under duress? This would just give impetus to every other terrorist organistation in the world.

Could you by any small stretch of the imagianation be a west brit

No, just fed up with this perpetual persecution complex and general anti - English sentiment. The English love the Irish even though the terrorists among them have killed so many of them. Forgetting the shift key again?
 
Onekeano, and you want to go to a Celtic match? I was going to go with you on that trip but with an attitude like that I doubt it. Are you so blind to believe a Táoiseach whose party ran guns for the current I.R.A. and in more recent years have been up to their proverbial b**lix in corruption etc. Fíanna Fáil's and the P.D's agenda is in tandem with the British Government & the Unionists . Get the Shinners out at all cost they are taking votes off all the leading parties and very soon we will have a Sinn Fein dominated government both here and in the Northern part of Ireland. Granted the arrows point to a subversive involvement, but there is also a maveric element of Republicans working in there with I believe, disgruntled former members of the R.U.C. and former british army intelligence officers. This was mentioned on the day of the N.B. robbery but has not been mentioned since. Finally... no!, I am not a member of Sínn Féin I am a member of Labour , but I am not blinkered.
P.S. What about mc Dowells house in Roscommon. Berties in France, etc etc
 
Sorry Geegee our posts crossed as well as our swords. I am glad to see that you have not disagreed with me that the brits are an occuping force. They are , here, as well in many more countries.
The brits have raped,plundered and pillaged here just as much as they have done in Iraq, and everywhere else they have been. I know and have proof, I am married to a Northern woman, and she should know!!!
As regards great britain ( small letters instead of capitals ) that is my choice. It is not great, Wales, Scotland etc. want out so how great is that?
The british army are some of the biggest terrorists in the world, look what they have done in Iraq, Argentina etc.
Geegee even you seem to hate the Irish so you must have brit blood. :)
 
Onekeano,
The June of 1922 saw one of the vilest acts against humanity committed by the Republican movement. An event took place just outside of Newry involving the slaughter of nine people, which became deeply embedded on the psyche of local people -The Altnaveigh Massacre.
The murders were co-ordinated by Frank Aiken, who went on to become External Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister in the Republic during the fifties under De Valera. He continued in the Irish cabinet until 1969.
 
The majority of the Northern Irish do (want the brits here).
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The 'majority' of an artificial, gerrymandered, bigotted statelet that must be daily supported by the crutch of british taxpayers money.
Why should that so called 'majority' - about one hundred and fifty thousand loyalists - have the right to determine the future of millions of Irish people, not to mention the opinions of the tens of millions of brits whose money they rely on...remember what Wilson called them. Spongers!
I'd like to see the result of a referendum where the british people were asked if they want to continue pumping millions of their tax pounds into NI as long as a tiny 'majority' of bigots wish to remain 'British'.
And I'd like to see how Clubmans views would stand in a referendum in the WHOLE of Ireland on the formation of a United Ireland. He'd be out in the cold, and he knows it.

If you think a 'majority' in NI should dictate to the whole population of UK and ROI then I guess you accept the MANDATE for a United Ireland too when that becomes the MAJORITY wish up there?
 
A united Ireland is never going to happen in our lifetime. It may never happen at all. It's only the shinners and the IRA that really want it at this stage.
At heart I too am a republican...it's just that I don't defend thugs and murderers. The "reality" of the north is that it's highly unlikely that unionists are ever going to want to be part of the rest of Ireland. Fair enough. If they can learn to live peacefully up there and we can get the IRA to stop criminal activities that'll do me to be honest.
I notice you're not vehemently defending the undefendables these days?
 
You've got plenty of opinions which you obviously think you share with the whole population. You are sadly deluded. Who cares what the unionists want - except other unionists - and you.
 
I've got opinions which I'd gather most sensible people would share. But we've seen the nonsense you post here about being a shinner. People who look forward and not into the past, do indeed care about what Unionists think and feel. That's how we'll 'secure' peace up there long term.
 
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