How does the Coroner Service work in Ireland? What are the Coroners' qualifications?

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How does the Coroners Court work? What are the qualifications of a Coroner?


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this question has been split from a discussion in LOS and some of the factual comments copied here.
 
It was a coroners court, not a law court.

Coroners court are strange places with a mix of the absurd and the formal. Many of the current coroners have simply 'inherited' the title and have no forensic or specialised knowledge.

I remember ones where the Gardai had to go out on the streets before hand to round up enough members of the jury to make up the quorum.

Because there was no evidence of a crime, effectively what difference does it make what is put on the death cert?
 
Vanilla said:
It was a coroners court, not a law court.

Coroners court are strange places with a mix of the absurd and the formal. Many of the current coroners have simply 'inherited' the title and have no forensic or specialised knowledge.
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Vanilla

Thanks for explaining that. I was wondering how a court which should be evidence-based could arrive at such a conclusion.

So who gets the jobs as coroners? Solicitors? Doctors? Anyone?
 
The following well written extract comes from that document:

There are perhaps few public services as poorly understood or indeed as poorly appreciated as the coroner service. Its association with what are often tragic circumstances does not encourage the general public to look behind the process of death investigation of which the public inquest is an important but not the sole aspect of coroner work.

The role of the coroner has evolved over hundreds of years and its present shape and organisation is very similar to that which existed
before the turn of the last century. Apart from the Coroners Act 1962 which updated some legislative aspects of coroner work, there has
never been a comprehensive review of the Irish coroner service in terms of assessing its adequacy for societal needs.

In making such an assessment for the needs of society in the twenty-century, it is inevitable that some radical reforms are indicated and that
unattended historical evolution must now give way to more modern organisation structures, a focussed management perspective and a
dedicated funding programme to achieve specified objectives in the short and long term.

Piecemeal evolution and improvements under the current organisational arrangements will not achieve the standards of public service which have now become part of the legitimate expectations of today’s society.
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The current position is that a coroner must, at time of appointment, be either a practising solicitor or barrister, or a registered
medical practitioner. The reasons for this go back to early in the last century when the office of coroner was being upgraded, having fallen
somewhat in status. The drive to “professionalising” the office was reflected in the introduction of these kinds of qualifications. The
argument might be made today that if the carrying out of coroner functions requires a particular set of detailed skills and professional
knowledge, how can coroners be either a doctor or a lawyer?
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So it seems that a coroner has to be a doctor or a laywer and can not be a forensic scientist.
 
AFAIK the majority are GPs, with the rest solicitors. A coroner can have a deputy and I believe many deputies end up as 'acting' coroner, thus effectively inheriting the position. A reform has been proposed for some some time but not yet put in place.

I suppose an argument could be made that the coroner is really just an administrative figurehead and hears the evidence of witnesses plus the state pathologist etc and therefore doesnt need specialist knowledge in themselves but they do tend to direct the jury towards a verdict. I know from personal knowledge that many of the jury members are the same old people, available to go to the coroners court, retired people etc and are used to the routine.
 
Is it not the case that they are also experienced in the hearing of such tragic cases and like many a District Court Judge, can cut through the sometimes emotive testimony to get at the facts behind it?

There seems to be a movement supportive of acedemia at the moment that gives the impression that qualifications eclipse judgement.

This is tengental to the thread about spontaneous human combustion, isn't it?
 
ajapale said:
This question has been split from a discussion in LOS and some of the factual comments copied here.
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Yes, this thread is about the workings of the coroners service and the qualifications of coroners.

Coroners Service from CitizensAdvice.ie

A Coroner in Ireland is an independent official with legal responsibility for the investigation of sudden and unexplained deaths.

The role of the Coroner is to enquire into the circumstances of sudden, unexplained, violent and unnatural deaths. This may require a post-mortem examination, sometimes followed by an inquest. The post-mortem is carried out by a pathologist, who acts as the Coroner's agent for this purpose. The Coroner's inquiry initially is concerned with establishing whether or not death was due to natural causes.

The Coroner essentially establishes the "who, when, where and how" of unexplained death.

A Coroner is not permitted to consider civil or criminal liability; he or she must simply establish the facts. If a death is due to unnatural causes, then an inquest must be held by law. The principal legislation that established the role and responsibilities of Coroners in Ireland is the Coroners Act 1962. The Coroner's (Amendment) Act 2005 provides for increased sanctions for those who refuse to co-operate with the proper conduct of an inquest. The revised legislation also ends the restriction on the number of medical and other witnesses.

A Coroner will not be involved in cases where a person died from a natural illness or disease for which the deceased was being treated by a doctor within one month prior to death. In this case, the doctor will issue the medical certificate of the cause of death. The death can then be registered and a death certificate can be obtained.

In cases of sudden, unnatural or violent death, there is a legal responsibility on the doctor, registrar of deaths, funeral undertaker, householder and every person in charge of any institution or premises in which the deceased person was residing at the time of his/her death to report such a death to the Coroner. The death may be reported to an member of the Garda Síochána not below the rank of sergeant who will notify the coroner. However at common law, any person may notify the Coroner of the circumstances of a particular death.

In situations where a medical certificate of the cause of death is not available, the Coroner will arrange for a post-mortem examination of the body. If the post-mortem examination shows that death was due to natural causes, and there is no need for an inquest, a Coroner's Certificate will be issued to the Registrar of Births and Deaths who will then register the death and issue the death certificate.

If death is due to unnatural causes, the Coroner is obliged to hold an inquest. The death will be registered by means of a Coroner's Certificate when the inquest is concluded (or adjourned in some cases).

Prior to the inquest (or whilst awaiting the post-mortem report), the Coroner's office will provide an Interim Certificate of the Fact of Death, which may be acceptable to banks, insurance companies and other institutions.

Post-mortem examinations

A post-mortem (or autopsy) is a procedure to establish the cause of death. If the cause of death cannot be determined beforehand, the Coroner will arrange for a post-mortem examination to be carried out. If the post-mortem shows that death was due to natural causes and there is no need for an inquest, the Coroner will issue a certificate so that the death may be registered. It may take up to six weeks or longer before a post-mortem report from the pathologist is produced. The death cannot be registered until the post-mortem is received.
The Garda Síochana will assist the Coroner in arranging a formal identification of the body by a member of the family or a relative of the deceased. The Gardaí will send to the Coroner a report on the circumstances of the death. The fact that relatives may be met at the hospital by a uniformed Garda, or that a Garda may call to the home to take a statement, does not mean that the death is regarded as suspicious. Members of the Gardaí will in most cases be acting also as Coroner's officers.

Eligibility to become a Coroner

You must be at least 30 years old to enter the Coroner service and must be a registered medical practitioner or practising solicitor or barrister for five years. While in the service, the core professions of those involved are those of medicine and law. All Coroners work on a part-time basis. Coroners are paid a basic fee based on the size category of their district and they are also paid expenses relating to operation of their office. Coroners are appointed for particular districts within a local authority area by the local authority, on the recommendation of the . The jurisdiction of Coroners is limited to the district to which they are appointed and they must also reside in this district, unless they receive permission from the Minister for Justice and Equality to do otherwise. Retirement age for Coroners in Ireland is 70 years.
At present, Coroner districts are roughly equivalent to local authority areas. There are 47 Coroner districts in Ireland. The Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2011(pdf) has amended the legislation to allow for the Coroner districts of Dublin city and Dublin county to be amalgated. Each of the Coroner districts has a Coroner, and a deputy Coroner who fills in if the Coroner is absent or ill. While the Coroner system is subject to the general supervision of the Minister for Justice and Equality, the Coroners are independent in their function. This means that the Coroner acts on behalf of the State.

Removal of a Coroner from office

The Minister for Justice and Equality has the power to remove a Coroner or deputy Coroner from office if he or she has been found guilty of misconduct and neglect of duty. In addition, in cases where it is decided the Coroner is unfit for office or is incapable of carrying out his or her duties by reason of physical or mental infirmity, the Coroner will also be removed from duty.

Review of the law and forthcoming changes

In 2000 a Working Group established by the Minister for Justice and Equality reviewed the Coroner Service in Ireland. The Group reviewed all aspects of the Service, identifying issues that need to be addressed, making over 100 recommendations for improvements in the short, medium and long term, etc. View the 2000 [broken link removed]. In 2003, following on from a recommendation of the Working Group, the [broken link removed] was published.
The Coroner's (Amendment) Act 2005 which amended the Coroners Act 1962 was passed by the Dail in December 2005. In 2007 the Department of Justice and Equality published the Coroner's Bill 2007 which incorporates many of the recommendations made by the Working Review Group in 2000.

Rules

Certain deaths must be reported to the Coroner. These deaths include the following:
Deaths occurring at home or other place of residence:

  • Where the deceased was not attended by a doctor during the last illness;
  • Where the deceased was not seen and treated by a doctor within one month prior to the date of death;
  • Where the death was sudden and unexpected;
  • Where the death may have resulted from an accident, suicide or homicide;
  • Where the cause of death is unknown or uncertain.
Deaths occurring in hospitals:

  • Where the death may have resulted from an accident, suicide or homicide;
  • Where any question of negligence or misadventure arises in relation to the treatment of the deceased;
  • Where a patient dies before a diagnosis is made and the general practitioner is also unable to certify the cause;
  • When the death occurred whilst a patient was undergoing an operation or was under the effect of an anaesthetic;
  • Where the death occurred during or as a result of any invasive procedure;
  • Where the death resulted from any industrial disease;
  • Where a death was due to neglect or lack of care (including self neglect);
  • Where the death occurred in a mental hospital.
Deaths reported to the Coroner by an officer of An Garda Síochána (Irish police force):

  • Where a death may have resulted from an accident, suicide or homicide;
  • Where a death occurred in suspicious circumstances;
  • Where there is an unexpected or unexplained death;
  • Where a dead body is found;
  • Where there is no doctor who can certify the cause of death.
Deaths reported to the Coroner by the Governor of a Prison in Ireland:

  • Immediately following the death of a prisoner.
Other categories of death reportable include:

  • Sudden infant deaths;
  • Certain stillbirths;
  • The death of a child in care;
  • Where a body is to be removed abroad.

Where to apply

Coroner districts in Ireland (there is one Coroner per district) are roughly equivalent to local authority districts. (However, in some cases, there are a number of Coroners in the same County). Contact information for the Coroner for your district as well as information on the Coroner Service is available on the www.coroner.ie website.

Last updated: 15/08/2011
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I'd prefer to see a thread addressing the evidence as opposed to going down a road that smacks of being an ad hominem attack by other methods -

"The coronor isn't competent".

For example, in the OP -

"Was there no pathologists report? What did it say?"

That having been said I'm happy to support this thread about the coroner's job - a position I know little enough about :)
 
This is a very important piece of information Ajay - thanks.
Its cold comfort to find out EU regulations prohibited these blinds since 2009.

Even that doesn't address the issue of cord-operated blinds that are already installed from before that date.
I was in a house yesterday that still had single glazed metal windows and cord operated venetian-style blinds from the 1960's.

Given that the coroner's office deals with fatalities - and whether you agree with his findings or not - I am forming the opinion that the results of inquests be fast-tracked to some sort of fact-crunching committee which advises the Minster for Justice and/or the Oireachtas on bringing forward new laws for our protection.

At the moment, we have a documented investigation and feedback system, but nowhere to transmit this information for in a mandatory way to close the feedback loop and result in effective action.
 
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