Dole and Childrens allowance - residents only I thought ?

Admittedly my experience is in germany,and I know from personal experience how difficult they make it for irish people even getting resident permits,They pull a whole lot of tricks even arguing that ireland is not in the european union etc..
What year is your experience from? 1935?
 
1995 in fact.
Why don`t you engage with the points i raised?
 
My point is about the age profile of non nationals
You didn't reply to what should be done with young unemployed Irish people and last time I looked there were plenty young Irish people, lots more than most other European countries?
 
You didn't reply to what should be done with young unemployed Irish people and last time I looked there were plenty young Irish people, lots more than most other European countries?
Well we'll need security for these camps I mentioned earlier. In fact these camps could open up a whole range of opportunities for young verile Irish men and women eager to do their bit for the Fatherland.
 
You didn't reply to what should be done with young unemployed Irish people and last time I looked there were plenty young Irish people, lots more than most other European countries?

I wouldn`t exclude young irish people from various work schemes,but of course the young irish did not travel across a continent to work/draw dole in another country.As such,many of the young unemployed irish wouldn`t necessarily have the motivation of migrant workers and account has to be tahen of this.Don`t forget France and Germany did not allow east europeans to work in their country until very recently,precisely to protect their own work force.There is a lot of work that could be done to improve housing estates and clean up derelict areas etc etc
 
I wouldn`t exclude young irish people from various work schemes,but of course the young irish did not travel across a continent to work/draw dole in another country.As such,many of the young unemployed irish wouldn`t necessarily have the motivation of migrant workers and account has to be tahen of this.Don`t forget France and Germany did not allow east europeans to work in their country until very recently,precisely to protect their own work force.There is a lot of work that could be done to improve housing estates and clean up derelict areas etc etc

I wouldn't qualify as 'young' but I was young once and I went to one of these European countries in search of work, do you think if I lost my job that I should be rounded up to lay roads, clean up streets etc. Would you be upset if this happened to me and the many other Irish imigrants abroad? What do you mean that young umemployed Irish don't have the motivation of migrant workers?
 
Why would someone fly in weekly or get someone else to collect for him you very easy can export your unemployment benefits over a period of three months?

Simple steps [broken link removed].

Sure that only covers you for three month but it's a start.
 
I wouldn't qualify as 'young' but I was young once and I went to one of these European countries in search of work, do you think if I lost my job that I should be rounded up to lay roads, clean up streets etc. Would you be upset if this happened to me and the many other Irish imigrants abroad? What do you mean that young umemployed Irish don't have the motivation of migrant workers?

No one is talking about rounding anyone up.A lot of irish unemployed have to go on various work schemes organised by fas etc.I do think that a lot of our migrants now on the dole here should be quite happy to do 2 or 3 days work for their dole money,which incidentally is much higher than the average industrial wage in poland for example.Only the more motivated,energetic east europeans emigrated..I am sure a lot of the less motivated ones decided to stay at home.
For thr life of me I cannot understand why unemployed teachers couldn`t teach for 2 days a week for their dole money for example.....this would address the teacher pupil ratio that the teachers unions are so concerned about and would cost the exchequer nothing.
 
No one is talking about rounding anyone up.A lot of irish unemployed have to go on various work schemes organised by fas etc.I do think that a lot of our migrants now on the dole here should be quite happy to do 2 or 3 days work for their dole money,which incidentally is much higher than the average industrial wage in poland for example.Only the more motivated,energetic east europeans emigrated..I am sure a lot of the less motivated ones decided to stay at home.
For thr life of me I cannot understand why unemployed teachers couldn`t teach for 2 days a week for their dole money for example.....this would address the teacher pupil ratio that the teachers unions are so concerned about and would cost the exchequer nothing.

There are some countries which went down that road, if you are receiving social welfare payments you are used for the delivery of public services, i.e. cleaning the streets/parks (and we really could get that done), working in old peoples homes and other stuff.
 
You can't understand why a trained professional may not want to do specialised and difficult work for dole money alongside people doing the same work but getting actual proper pay and benefits for it? Seriously? :confused: Sure then you could sack all the teachers and make them all work for dole! And perhaps doctors and nurses too! Genius....:rolleyes:

I am suggesting that these unemployed teachers,most of whom would be recent graduates work maybe 2 days a week in a school for their dole money,thus helping the teacher pupil ratio.Thats 100 euros+ a day and getting very good experience too.Don`t sub teachers work alongside permanent teachers as it is without getting the same benefits.
The resistance is coming from unions who want to restrict the numbers working or even getting experience in various professions , to maintain the high salaries and benefits of their members still in a job.
And yes I`d put unemployed nurses and doctors working 2days a week in our overstretched health services.
The thing is unemployed people would like to work in their chosen speciality for experience,morale and well being etc in this recession.
 
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