My blood is at boiling point over the above issue. I think it's a disgrace that teachers who live close to schools and have free classes can nip home and do whatever during their free time. I live near a private school which my daughter attends and notice that two teachers who live in our estate come home regularly during free classes. Just saw one of them a while ago taking sand out of a trailer, before anyone accuses me of being nosey I walk regularly so cant help but notice. I work in the public service but during quiet times (rarely) I cannot go home to put out the washing etc. I pay these private teachers wages and I'm sure there is plenty for them to do in the school, go knows their day is short enough.
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Ireland is exceptional in this regard; in most developed countries teachers have to remain on site during the school day. Then again our teachers have shorter hours, longer holidays and get paid more than their counterparts in most of the developed world so I don't see why this should be a surprise to anyone.
What does telling us its a "private" school have to do with anything? Would that not happen in a public school?
What does telling us you are a PS have to do with anything? Would the teacher be a PS also?
When you say you have free time do you mean many hours at a time?
I thought you guys were all broke? How come you can aford "private" schools ,I thought that was only for rich capitalists.
By the way if you are out walking and see them "regularly ",they probably are saying the same about you!
What does telling us you are a PS have to do with anything? Would the teacher be a PS also?
When you say you have free time do you mean many hours at a time?
I thought you guys were all broke? How come you can aford "private" schools ,I thought that was only for rich capitalists.
By the way if you are out walking and see them "regularly ",they probably are saying the same about you!
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How do you know they come home during free classes? Maybe they work part time?
How are you seeing them at all in the daytime if you work yourself?
How are you seeing them at all in the daytime if you work yourself?
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The teachers working hours have not been disclosed either.
Just think its a big assumption to make based on seeing someone around the place - they could be thinking the same of the OP.
OP said she sees them on a regular basis when out walking.
How else could she see them taking time at home unless she was at home her/himself, its a logical conclusion of what the OP said.
If the OP is contracted to work part-time and paid accordingly then what's the problem?
The OP's gripe is that people who are contracted to work semi-full time are at home during their working hours.
Is anyone suggesting that secondary teachers do not leave their school when they have a non-classroom period during their working day?
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How does the OP know the people are contracted to work semi-full time? They could be part timers too.
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They could be part time teachers. Not all teaching posts are full time.
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Hang on, let's keep this on-topic here, and not turn it into a teacher-bashing thread. Nobody minds teachers leaving school during school hours to sit on buses across the country accompanying students to sporting events/field trips, and returning home late at night.
The OP doesn't have to defend their walking habits, any more than the choice to send their child to a private school. My kids do not attend a fee-paying school, but if I saw what I knew to be full-time teachers from the school regularly popping home during school hours, and visibly not to correct homework, prepare classes etc., then I would complain to the Principal.
If I were concerned about my kids suffering because of this, I would do so anonymously via the parents committee.
The OP doesn't have to defend their walking habits, any more than the choice to send their child to a private school. My kids do not attend a fee-paying school, but if I saw what I knew to be full-time teachers from the school regularly popping home during school hours, and visibly not to correct homework, prepare classes etc., then I would complain to the Principal.
If I were concerned about my kids suffering because of this, I would do so anonymously via the parents committee.
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There is nothing wrong with a teacher leaving school property and going home during their free classes.
A full time teacher is paid pro rata for 22 contact hours with students every week. This means they are paid for 22 hours of teaching a week and that is only if they are full time. They are not paid for anything else. Part Time teachers are again only paid for contact teaching hours.
When a teacher has a 'free' class that does not form part of their timetable why shouldnt they be allowed to go wherever they want? They are not being paid for it, it does not form part of their working hours. That aside most teachers who do have an occasional free class do class prep or corrections (which they are not paid for)
In a normal job, if you take an unpaid day or half day you can do what you like.
They are not paid or timetabled for that particular class so whats the problem.
The fact that you cannot go home during a quiet time is neither here nor there. You are paid to be there from Time A to Time B. Whether you are busy or not is immaterial. Are you saying you would be comfortable plodding off home when its quiet while you are being paid for it by the taxpayer?
My blood is at boiling point over the above issue.
Is there a union rule that says they must stay in the school?
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OP is a public servant, and those who send kids to private schools have been lambasted here,and public servants apparently dont earn enough to live never mind private schools for kids,....just saying.
Is Poster suggesting that she should be able to go home at quiet times?
How does she know that the teachers are not working part time?
And where in the public service is there quiet times do tell?
Now we have public servants against public servants!!
At long last we cant be accused of public service bashing
Rustbucket is of course correct; secondary teachers are required to work a maximum of 22 hours a week 167 days a year. That’s 33.4 weeks at 22 hours a week or a total of 735 hours a year. That’s 18.8 weeks a year based on a 39 hour week.
In other words for most people who work a normal week the working year would end on the 13th of may this year. The reality is, of course, quite different as teachers have correction and class preparation etc which could double their actual hours worked. The problem is that the teaching unions have done what unions do best and set the bar at the lowest level possible so that good teachers are judged by the standards of their most incompetent and lazy colleagues. If they were serious about being taken seriously as a profession then they’d insist themselves that their members spend their working day at work.
Incidentally since the top of the teaching scale is over €75K it means that a teacher at that rate is getting over €100 per contracted hour. Not bad!
In other words for most people who work a normal week the working year would end on the 13th of may this year. The reality is, of course, quite different as teachers have correction and class preparation etc which could double their actual hours worked. The problem is that the teaching unions have done what unions do best and set the bar at the lowest level possible so that good teachers are judged by the standards of their most incompetent and lazy colleagues. If they were serious about being taken seriously as a profession then they’d insist themselves that their members spend their working day at work.
Incidentally since the top of the teaching scale is over €75K it means that a teacher at that rate is getting over €100 per contracted hour. Not bad!
OP is a public servant, and those who send kids to private schools have been lambasted here,and public servants apparently dont earn enough to live never mind private schools for kids,....just saying.
What the OP does with his/her legitimately earned income is irrelevant and frankly none of your business.
You seem to think that those on the public payroll should be required to forage at the lower end of the food chain.
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Would you prefer if they hit down town for a few pints and a kebab ?